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JAL And ANA 777-300ERs  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

As of now, ANA uses international 777-200s for SIN, BKK, PVG, and 777-200ERs for SFO, IAD, and 777-300ERs for LAX and JFK. From what I have heard, the LAX, JFK, SFO, IAD are all daily. They have 4 777-200ERs and only 3 777-300ERs. How does this work? Looks like they fall short 1 777-200ER and 2 777-300ERs.

Also, JAL has 4 777-300ER, and they received their first 777-300ER over a year ago. And since then, they have done nothing but regional Asia service. Will they ever actually use its capabilities?

[Edited 2006-01-20 02:27:27]

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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

NH uses 773ER on NRT-JFK & LAX which requires three aircraft.
The flying pattern is:
Day 1: NRT-JFK-NRT
Day 2: NRT-LAX-NRT (a/c that arrives from JFK is used for the LAX rotation)
Day 3: After arriving from LAX, the aircraft remains overnight at NRT to fly the JFK rotation the following day.

NH uses 772ER on NRT-IAD & SFO which requires only three aircraft but most likely one is probably in heavy maintenance this season.
Aircraft utilization is similar to the 773ER.
NH will take delivery of three 773ER this year and the next one will go on the SFO run and the next two probably on the IAD run. This will leave the four 772ER without any routes to fly. Probabilities are the heavily rumored re-start of NRT-ORD.


JL uses its 773ER on NRT-FRA, NRT-LHR that started October 2005, plus in between flies NRT-ICN, NRT-ITM routes too. Therefore all four are flying heavily.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 1):
JL uses its 773ER on NRT-FRA, NRT-LHR that started October 2005

Wow, I was not aware of this. Thanks alot.


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 1):
NH uses 772ER on NRT-IAD & SFO which requires only three aircraft but most likely one is probably in heavy maintenance this season.

There was another thread wondering why an ANA 744 was in SFO. I think the question has been answered.  Smile


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

I believe ANA also uses the 773ER to Shanghai between transcontinental flights.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

So where is NH using their remaining 744s? Are they all going to Europe and intra-asia or even domestics? They have 30 (based on Airfleets.)

I wonder if they will aquire any more 773s for their heavier routes.

Didn't they recently order some new 767s? What are they for?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 4):
I believe ANA also uses the 773ER to Shanghai between transcontinental flights.

No, they do not. The three are kept busy on the JFK & LAX runs, as I mentioned before.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
So where is NH using their remaining 744s? Are they all going to Europe and intra-asia or even domestics? They have 30 (based on Airfleets.)

I wonder if they will aquire any more 773s for their heavier routes.

Didn't they recently order some new 767s? What are they for?

Six 744s fly NRT-FRA, CDG, LHR. One flies NRT-HKG. Another flies NRT-PVG on occasions. Currently, they have a couple of 744s that are even rotating in/out on domestic runs (JA403A, JA404A, & JA405A). With 10 773ERs on order/delivery, it's just a matter of time before the European runs switch to 773ER.

I am not sure where you got the number '30' 744 as they only have 23 744s of which 13 are 744Ds. NCA has two 744F. NH has just one 747SR left which will have its last flight in March.

767s are for regional routes. Currently, their alloted landing rights to China are maxed out but when new frequencies are added, they will need some more metal. Some of the older 763ERs are going for cargo conversion soon and they cannot sit idly for the next few years until the 788s arrive.

The 73Gs will open up some thinner regional flying up to 5 hours away too. Until now, 763ER was the smallest aircraft operating int'l flights.


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6):
Until now, 763ER was the smallest aircraft operating int'l flights.

I believe NH's ICN flights from NRT, KIX, NGO are A320. Thanks for your information anyway.


User currently offlineAtwingo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Why is IAD always last to get the newer airplanes, the newer products offered by airlines etc.?

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Atwingo (Reply 8):
Why is IAD always last to get the newer airplanes, the newer products offered by airlines etc.?

NH does have a monopoly when it comes to non-stop flights on this sector.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 7):

Thanks for the correction. I totally forgot about A320/321 service to Korea. I suppose those sectors will be 73G territory in the future with NRT probably dropped for good as more slots on HND-GMP become available.


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9):
NRT probably dropped for good as more slots on HND-GMP become available.

I don't know about Japanese policy, but in Korea, if KE or OZ reduces ICN-NRT, its GMP-HND right will be taken away (or any penalty). I think Japan has similar policy. Actually KE recently reduced NRT capacity by putting smaller aircraft (744->772 on KE701,702) because of decreasing load factor. They say that GMP-HND load factor is not good, either.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Actually as recently as last March a couple of NH's veteran 744s were being rotated on some limited domestic runs as well. I flew aboard JA8094 and 8098 between NRT and ITM within a few days of each other. However that might be a limited onward utilization as only early morning and late evening connecting services to ITM utilize the 744 from NRT.


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