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Rumor Time For US Airways  
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12005 times:

Rumor has it US will be announcing a few European destinations in the new future, using ETOPS certified ATA 757's. Whether this is true or not, I am not sure.

I usually don't spread rumors, but hey, I am bored, and all my arguments on A.net have died down.

-SOAC


Non Illegitimi Carborundum
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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11974 times:

The talk on USAviation is that three ATA 757-200s are sitting around in Germany, and that US is going to take them and put them on the existing Ireland and Glasgow service, along with a new route to Lisbon.

According to the rumor, the 767s freed up by these new planes will be sent to Milan and Stockholm.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 1):
The talk on USAviation is that three ATA 757-200s are sitting around in Germany, and that US is going to take them and put them on the existing Ireland...

I'm not sure how comfortable I am flying to Ireland in a 752. No offense to the 752. But the only comfortable way across the pond for me is in a widebody. I might get flamed for this opinion, and I understand that US/HP need to make money somehow. But come on... How many people am I gonna have to fight for an exit row???



I'd like to thank me for flying Me Airways...
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 2):
I'm not sure how comfortable I am flying to Ireland in a 752. No offense to the 752. But the only comfortable way across the pond for me is in a widebody. I might get flamed for this opinion, and I understand that US/HP need to make money somehow. But come on... How many people am I gonna have to fight for an exit row???

AA and CO are sending their hotrod 757's across the pond for while now with no problems...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
AA and CO are sending their hotrod 757's across the pond for while now with no problems...

I'm Sure... I dunno. the only 2 757's I've flown on was from PIT-CLT on US/JP and DFW-TUL (Dont ask me why) on AA. On AA I had an exit row and it was Awesome! On US/HP I did not and it was not very comfortable for an hour... not to mention it was a full flight and even though I captured "The Glory" (a silhouette of the aircraft with a refraction/rainbow on a cloud, that A.net wouldn't accept) I was still not very comfortable.



I'd like to thank me for flying Me Airways...
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32788 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11801 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 2):
I'm not sure how comfortable I am flying to Ireland in a 752. No offense to the 752. But the only comfortable way across the pond for me is in a widebody. I might get flamed for this opinion, and I understand that US/HP need to make money somehow. But come on... How many people am I gonna have to fight for an exit row???

The block time for PHL-SNN is 6h35m, barely longer than MIA-SEA (6h20m).



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11787 times:

I love the 757 for domestic long haul. I'm just not sure I'd enjoy it for 8 hours. Some people like smaller jets. I am partial to widebody aircraft.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11744 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The block time for PHL-SNN is 6h35m, barely longer than MIA-SEA (6h20m).

The block time back, however, is going to be longer than that.

I've never done a transatlantic flight in a 752, so I can't comment on it, but it does seem like the plane would be cramped. But if it's a direct flight, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Are these ATA planes RR engined or PW engined? Is there something about the PW engined planes that makes them unsuitable for transatlantic flights, or is it just coincidence that CO and AA both have RR engined planes?

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11476 times:

As those ATA birds have a higher max takeoff weight perhaps they would instead be used for Hawaii service and the US-West etops 757's currently doing Hawaii with weight restrictions would do Ireland ! Just an idea and my two cents !

Cheers

LGA777


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 4):
On US/HP I did not and it was not very comfortable for an hour

Why? Seat the Coach Class pitch/width in a 752 is the same as anything from an RJ to a T7, or in US' case A330, within a few negligible fractions of an inch. That 767/A330 will be the same sized seats... and in the 757 you've got a much higher chance of the window seat!


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11254 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
I've never done a transatlantic flight in a 752, so I can't comment on it, but it does seem like the plane would be cramped.

Well I have with AA MAN-BOS. It was alright to be honest although I prefer widebody aircraft for long haul. There is simply more and better amenities. I can't really say the flight was cramped as afterall, the plane is designed to fly with all seats filled let alone the fact I'm used to flying 757's in a 233 Y config!

Flying at FL280 for the first hours of flight over Iceburgs is sure interesting though! Hail the B752, she's epic!



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

it was announced in a managers meeting yesterday. it hasn't been put in the system yet though. loo for an announcement really soon . this is no b/s.

User currently offlineKALB From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

Three of my four transatlantic flights were on single-aisle aircraft. BOAC VC-10, Sabena and PanAm 707-320s in the late '60's. No problem. Next time across the pond, I may purposely book a 757.

User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11040 times:

Quoting KALB (Reply 12):
PanAm 707-320s

757 has the same cabin width, and as mentioned seats are same/almost same size as on 767. The cramped feeling is mostly perception in my view as your personal space is basically the same. Moving around in the cabin is another story, as are entertainment options.



Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss
User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11017 times:

My first flights to Europe; SNN, FRA LHR were all on TWA 707-331s.

I still remember these as my favorites!

nomadic


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10954 times:

Quoting KYAir (Reply 13):
757 has the same cabin width, and as mentioned seats are same/almost same size as on 767.

Do you mean the 707? The 757 and 707 both have 3x3 configurations. The 767 has a spacious 2x3x2 configuration.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10922 times:

The ATA 752's and '3 are virtually daily visitors to SNN these days carrying the boys to and from the Gulf. The aircraft have the legs.


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

Someone was going to say this anyway, so I will. This will free up a 762 for the PIT FRA run. THere has been a lot of talk around PIT that this route may come back in the spring. There is also talk that the route may be on a 330 due to the fact the main reason the route would return in for cargo, and the 330 holds more.

User currently offlineSNNUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

Yes this is not a rumour, these aircraft have been leased, a great
step forward for the company. Probably see 2 of those 757's flying
into ireland for the winter or at worst 1 with a wrap flight..


User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10628 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 15):
Do you mean the 707?

Yep, look back at my post and you'll see that I quoted KALB referencing Pan Am 707s. However, my post wasn't very clear as I talked about 707 cabin width and 767 seat width in the same sentence. Sorry!  ashamed 



Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8379 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 1):
put them on the existing Ireland and Glasgow service, along with a new route to Lisbon.

Lisbon, very interesting. For a while people have been discussing what would happen to the codeshare between TP and CO, now that TAP has joined StarAlliance. Some people even mentioned UA flying to LIS or TP starting service to one of UA's hubs but I don't think I remember anyone even mentioning US and their hub at PHL. It makes a lot of sense.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10363 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 17):
Someone was going to say this anyway, so I will. This will free up a 762 for the PIT FRA run. THere has been a lot of talk around PIT that this route may come back in the spring. There is also talk that the route may be on a 330 due to the fact the main reason the route would return in for cargo, and the 330 holds more

That would be awesome for Pittsburgh and Western PA as a whole!


User currently offlineKubus From Poland, joined Dec 2005, 183 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10140 times:

I flew PIT-FRA-PIT in 2004 four times. I really didn't care what the fare was, I'll take connecting in FRA for travel to EU over ORD, EWR or JFK or anywhere else in states. 2 biggest pluses are PIT immigration (20 min or less each time, and that's from getting off the plane to getting on the train), second are the amount of possible connections at FRA.

I'll never understand why that flight was losing money for US Airways? Each time it was about 98% full with pax. I also counted 5 or 6 pallets of cargo at FRA coming in or out, which was the same amount as was going in PHL flight.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10057 times:

They cut it because the entire hub at PIT was dismantled, thus a dramatic reduction in feed, and there's not really enough O&D at PIT to support transatlantic service.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10035 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 23):
and there's not really enough O&D at PIT to support transatlantic service.

There's almost enough cargo alone to support it though. It might become like that RDU-LGW? trip on AA... freight is self-sufficient and the pax are pure gravy.


25 LTU932 : All TZ 757s have Rolls Royce RB211s, so integrating them shouldn't be that much of a problem, since US operates an all RR 757 fleet (including HP).
26 Post contains links and images RyeFly : Here are the planes: View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Fritz View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Fritz
27 Vega : Stockholm from PHL is a big surprise. If they indeed use a 767 on the route (if it happens), that would be a very good strategic move against CO - IM
28 Supa7E7 : PIT-FRA was literally not profitable before. (source: Bruce Lakefield) Plenty of data exists on PIT-FRA and its charms. It's not worth doing, at least
29 IL96M : US will fly to Milan? In other words, take up UA's lost mantle of direct US-to-Milan Star Alliance flights? When will this happen...? Will they be pa
30 FCYTravis : IL96M, yes, that's the plan - the *A thing is a big part of the proposed flights. They will be US airplanes operated by US crews. They're ATA lease tu
31 LN-MOW : These aircraft were destined to VIM Airlines in Russia ... What happened? Are they still sitting in MUC today?
32 Randy4920 : I don't understand how you flew CO 2 years ago to Stocholm when the EWR-ARN service started this past spring.
33 TWAAF9 : I've heard it many times but still don't understand this argument. Other than cabin width and height, the pitch and seat width are the same on a 757
34 Vega : OK I just checked my records. The flights were actually on July 7th/July 15th 2005. Regardless, my point is the size of the 757 is uncomfortable for
35 LN-MOW : Dc-8, B707 .......... Uncomfortable too?
36 Vega : Well if they were the only choice and one didn't have anything to compare them to, no. Today, however, yes they would be uncomfortable after being us
37 TropicBird : If this indeed true...these planes may be earmarked for Hawaii service as their are still unresolved operational problems in the existing fleet and co
38 Flaps : I have yet to fly on any widebody that was any more comfortable, cabin for cabin than a 757, 737, A320/319/321 etc etc. In fact the widebodies to me s
39 LGA777 : I think PIT-FRA can be very profitable (again) both in the cabin and cargo hold. I have been told there are 72 companies in the PIT area with ties to
40 Kubus : Supa7E7, Can you elaborate more on lack of profits, not that I am questioning it, we all know that it didn't make money. I just want to see for mysel
41 CentPIT : US is no longer interested in Pittsburgh, in case you didn't know. They are down to 174 daily flights and I expect more cuts to come. I am sad that th
42 N1120A : RR Well, the thrust available on the PW2000 series is less than that of the RB211. Additionally, the on wing time is 1/4th that of the RB211. It shou
43 Jdwfloyd : There will not be any more drastic cuts in PIT by US Airways. US has reached the point in PIT where cutting more flights would just invite more compe
44 Captaink : I agree. Widebodies are bigger in size sure but I really dislike being among so many people at the same time. And imagine if you get stuck somewhere
45 Jdwfloyd : Are there any more of TZ's ETOPS 752 that they are not using right now, and would US be interested in them? Also were any of the 752s that NW parked E
46 Post contains images Elagabal : I agree mostly with Flaps. Any difference in perceived comfort is a result of two combined elements: the company's layout and amenities policies (IFE
47 Vega : For the same reason a lot of other non-international hub cities do - the hope of bringing in business interests from another country (to their city)
48 Jdwfloyd : I didn't say that, I was quoting CentPIT. But I agree that the county of Allegheny should give some sort of incentive to restart FRA or LGW service.
49 WorldTraveler : ....there are clearly people who believe the 757 is not suitable for transatlantic travel because of the comfort. Delta obviously knows that and is to
50 LN-MOW : But CO obviously does not know this and is laughing all the way to the bank. Get real! 99% of the flying public does not know nor care what kind of a
51 SNNUS : True as long as it has wing's , most people could not care less!!
52 GLAGAZ : When are these changes due to take place? I can't see them starting LIS,MXP and ARN during the Winter of 06/07 somehow. Possibly something for Summer
53 SNNUS : No, i taught this too but seemingly these routes will be launched in May as far as i know. Little time for promo work and training!
54 Jdwfloyd : As was stated earlier, flying a 752 from PHL or EWR to the Europe is not that much different than flying west bound on a transcontinental run when the
55 EnviroTO : Comfort is determined by seats and seat pitch. One could easily create an uncomfortable widebody... like a Japan domestic 747... by simply changing se
56 SNNUS : 757 is no differant to any other type as long as the airline make it comfortable, i.e personal IFE
57 HPRamper : A common misconception. This flight did NOT make enough money off only cargo to be profitable. Even a lot of US employees falsely believed this. A330
58 WorldTraveler : Interesting that some of you that want to argue that DL's 767s are inferior to other carriers 777s are the same ones that think that a 757 is suitable
59 CRGsFuture : What is killing me about the 752's and their flights across the Atlantic is that FI has been using the 757's for years on transatlantic flights in and
60 CentPIT : Yes, I do think that these routes would lead to MINOR additions it Pittsburgh, but nothing huge. I think US would be fine operating a B767 on this ro
61 FlyDreamliner : I don't see the big issue, I like the more intimate feel of the smaller jet on all but excrutiatingly long flights. Plus, who will argue with direct p
62 HPRamper : Unlikely. The reason the A330 flights out of PIT stopped was because domestic feeder flights were being cut. Sure, add a daily A330 to the mix now. M
63 ORD2PHL : That's not entirely true, US's 752's have a 32" seat pitch while the majority of the seats on their A330's have a 34" pitch, and very noticable havin
64 CentPIT : Right, that's why I said nothing huge. If PIT-FRA was added back they might add some cities back that had large numbers to FRA. Like I said nothing h
65 Airbazar : Not a fair comparison. KEF is a lot closer to PHL/EWR/BOS than Glasgow or Lisbon. About 2/3 of the distance which makes it only about a 4 hour flight
66 Tornado82 : Nothing says the new 752's would have the same pitch... 2" more pitch is a few less seats, which takes away the chance of the 752's being weight rest
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