CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5223 times:
Hi!
Just received from my TAP souce friend the lattest Jornal TAP, a publication that is normally distributed to TAP employees! So here is the hot news:
1 - Inicial order to Airbus was for 10 A350-800's with 5 options. TAP meanwhile have already converted 2 of the options in firm!
2 - TAP is in the market to get 3 leased A330-200's that should arrived before the summer season 2006.
3 - TAP will get 1 new A330-200 in 2007 and 4 new A330-200's in 2008.
4 - TAP will get 2 new A350-800's in 2013, 4 A350-800's in 2014 and 6 A350-800's in 2015!
5 - The phase-out of the A310-300's, the A340-300's and the A330-200's will be has follows:
2006 - A310-300 CS-TEZ
2007 - A310-300 CS-TEX ( but it's possible to stay until March 2008 )
2008 - A310-300 CS-TEW, TEI, TEH, TEJ ( with that sequence )
2013 - 1 A330-200 ( that came new from Airbus ), 1 A330-200 leased
2014 - 4 A330-200's ( that came new from Airbus )
2015 - 2 A330-200's leased and the 4 A340-300's (CS-TOA, TOB, TOC and TOD ).
It is worth to notice that the last A330-200's to leave TAP will be the oldest ones, and that's understandable, TAP is going to use them almost to the end of their operational life, but the ones new from Airbus will leave early because they'll have certainly good market still ( all will leave with only 7 years old!!! And that's a fairly young airplane right? )
Regards
A360 From Portugal, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 434 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5135 times:
Hi!
Thanks for the detailed information CV990, but that's weird (being all -800 series), because Airbus has 6 350-800 and 4 350-900 for TAP on the order book right now...
On a second note, I see that those 340's are going to last!
They will have 20 years when retired.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4996 times:
Hi!
I personally think that TAP can actually review this order. If we take in mind that the A350-900 will have a close match with the A340-300 that could be true....but in the TAP Jornal it says clearly that it's gonna be A350-800's! Also in the Airbus webpage the virtual model for TAP is indeed an A350-900!!! We'll see in 6 years (!!!).
Regards
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4852 times:
Quoting CV990 (Thread starter): 1 - Inicial order to Airbus was for 10 A350-800's with 5 options. TAP meanwhile have already converted 2 of the options in firm!
2 - TAP is in the market to get 3 leased A330-200's that should arrived before the summer season 2006.
3 - TAP will get 1 new A330-200 in 2007 and 4 new A330-200's in 2008.
4 - TAP will get 2 new A350-800's in 2013, 4 A350-800's in 2014 and 6 A350-800's in 2015!
5 - The phase-out of the A310-300's, the A340-300's and the A330-200's will be has follows:
2006 - A310-300 CS-TEZ
2007 - A310-300 CS-TEX ( but it's possible to stay until March 2008 )
2008 - A310-300 CS-TEW, TEI, TEH, TEJ ( with that sequence )
2013 - 1 A330-200 ( that came new from Airbus ), 1 A330-200 leased
2014 - 4 A330-200's ( that came new from Airbus )
2015 - 2 A330-200's leased and the 4 A340-300's (CS-TOA, TOB, TOC and TOD ).
So when does TAP take delivery of the 2 additional A-350-800s (the 2 options converted to firm orders)?
Good news for both Airbus and TAP, 12 firm A-350-800s and 5 new build A-330-200s.
It makes sence to retire the newest A-330s first, while they still have good value. Then flying the older A-310s, A-330s and A-340s until they are ready to be converted into beer cans.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4551 times:
Hi!
When TAP ordered the A350 the 5 options were for increased capacity in 3 periods of time, and that's why 2 of those options are passing to firm. These periods will be, 2010-2011, 2013-2014 and 2016-2017. So to my understanding the extra 2 A350 should arrive during 2013-2014 and eventually the 3 options will come in 2016-2017. Of course this is just a prevision! Regarding TAP narrow body fleet, TAP expects to add another 2 A320's in 2007 and another A320 in 2008.
Regards
Just received from my TAP souce friend the lattest Jornal TAP, a publication that is normally distributed to TAP employees! So here is the hot news:
1 - Inicial order to Airbus was for 10 A350-800's with 5 options. TAP meanwhile have already converted 2 of the options in firm!
2 - TAP is in the market to get 3 leased A330-200's that should arrived before the summer season 2006.
3 - TAP will get 1 new A330-200 in 2007 and 4 new A330-200's in 2008.
4 - TAP will get 2 new A350-800's in 2013, 4 A350-800's in 2014 and 6 A350-800's in 2015!
5 - The phase-out of the A310-300's, the A340-300's and the A330-200's will be has follows:
2006 - A310-300 CS-TEZ
2007 - A310-300 CS-TEX ( but it's possible to stay until March 2008 )
2008 - A310-300 CS-TEW, TEI, TEH, TEJ ( with that sequence )
2013 - 1 A330-200 ( that came new from Airbus ), 1 A330-200 leased
2014 - 4 A330-200's ( that came new from Airbus )
2015 - 2 A330-200's leased and the 4 A340-300's (CS-TOA, TOB, TOC and TOD ).
It is worth to notice that the last A330-200's to leave TAP will be the oldest ones, and that's understandable, TAP is going to use them almost to the end of their operational life, but the ones new from Airbus will leave early because they'll have certainly good market still ( all will leave with only 7 years old!!! And that's a fairly young airplane right? )
Regards
Hi CV990,
Im still finding this all a bit confusing. Tap placed an order for 7 A330. I can only count 5 coming in to Taps fleet. We can not count those 3 (ex BlueWings) as nothing is certain. I believe that those 3 (ex BlueWings) are in edition to the 7 ordered directly from Airbus. They should not be part of that list as the number do not add up either one way or another. I do not see the reason why Airbus would list 7 new A330 orders, if they are to come from BlueWings
One also has to question this publication, as Tap order 6 A350-800 and 4 A350-900 and in the mean time have converted another 2 A50-800?
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69 Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 4302 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12): What's the rush? Those A350s aren't coming for 7 years. There's still time to work it out... Wink
I still would be happier if Tap actually takes all their 7 A330-200. Their A310-300 are starting to show some age and the A330 is going to be a great replacement as it will offer an increase in capacity, better fuel economy, better comfort, and an increase in cargo capabilities in relation the A310-300.
Im still convinced that Tap will be taking up all 7 A330 on order + 3 (ex BlueWings) for further capacity. Im convinced that Tap will be having a fleet of 14 long haul by 2008/9 with the following,
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6747 posts, RR: 65 Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4212 times:
Quoting CV990 (Thread starter): It is worth to notice that the last A330-200's to leave TAP will be the oldest ones
Does this make an order for PW for their new A330s more likely? If the three leased A330s were a temporary measure (as at LH) then it wouldn't matter. But if they are going to be around for many years and be the last planes to leave, wouldn't it make sense to take PW4000s on the new ones too for commonality? The PW4000 on the A330s has been successful and these planes would be in reasonable demand when TAP were done with them. (There are more operators of PW A330s than GE and more PW-powered examples have been ordered - so far. Of course, RR have more customers and more A330 sales than either GE or PW.)
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
Hi WINGS!
The information I gave to you is a transcription of Mr. Fernando Pinto said in December issue of the Jornal da TAP, TAP is getting 3 leased A330-200's before this summer season starts. I also got a schedule-planner for the phase-in of new TAP airplanes and they have plans for these airplanes BEFORE the summer season starts. Also if we consider that CS-TEZ, a A310-300 is going to leave also BEFORE the summer season starts TAP MUST have these 3 A330-200's in short notice! I can understand that TAP when had negotiations with Airbus probably stressed the point that they would need new airplanes starting from Summer 2006 ( 1st. April.. ) and Airbus agreed with that. We have to take in mind that Boeing lost the deal with TAP because like Mr. Fernando Pinto said mainly because delivery dates ( only in 2011 ), price and not availability of an intermediate model.
Regards
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2661 times:
Several of the orders for TAP were, in fact, for A350-900s.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
Hi Gigneil!
Your information goes against what Mr. Fernando Pinto says, can you provide us your source on that?
Ka - Great information you got regarding that BlueWings A330-200!!! Now we just need to wait with what livery it will come out!!! According to TAP schedule the first A330-200 should arrive in the first few days of February!
We'll see!!!
Regards
AirPortugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
A different question:
Will these A330s etc have PTVs or the like?
With the exception of Navigator, Im fairly certain that Coach on any type is not outfitted with them.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3998 posts, RR: 92 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2372 times:
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Quoting CV990 (Reply 18): Your information goes against what Mr. Fernando Pinto says, can you provide us your source on that?
Hi CV990
This is, in fact, correct. At the least at this point in time. TAP officially signed for 6 A358 and 4 A359. If you do a search of the original thread you will find this was the original order TAP said they would sign for. No mention was made of which models the 2 Options were to be for. The order TAP signed with Airbus is listed as mentioned on this link.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
Hi!
Thanks PanAm_DC10 for your information! What can I say? I have a report in TAP newspaper saying TAP ordered 10 + 2 A350-800's, and then I have Airbus homepage saying that TAP ordered 6 A350-800 and 4 A350-900's... I will just "flip a coin" and choose the news I get!!! My personal opinion is that TAP order will be quite dynamic...and I can accept well the situation that probably TAP ordered "positions" on the A350 production line...so then TAP will decide the number of 800 or 900 models according with the growth of the market and TAP numbers, that's it for me!
Regarding IFE in their airplanes, and if these 3 ex: BlueWings come they will certainly have them!!! And of course in the new ones that will arrive during 2007/2008 will have them too!!! TAP will be in a great position competing with other major airlines on their markets and even will have better equipment in other markets too. I think in Africa TAP will soon be competing with TAAG 777's and it will be good to have the A330-200! In USA TAP will have a better equipment over Continental, they fly the 757 TAP can use the A330-200... and I'm sure if Continental doesn't upgrade to the 767 they will lose market!!!
we'll see!
Regards
AirPortugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2052 times:
Looking at some flights on Travelocity.com, I note that TAP is planning on flying the A340-300 EWR-LIS on certain dates...
I researched early June if anyone wants to look further into that.
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