CaptainCanuck From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23492 times:
Bon Jovi's personal chartered 707 (N88ZL)has gone off the far end of Runway 12 in Hamilton, Ontario. Everyone is alive and well. Flight was operating KBUF to CYHM for his first show scheduled for tonight in Toronto at the Air Canada Centre.
Details are in short supply just yet, but the weather wasn't promising last night when the flight arrived.
Weather at the time: CYHM 210524Z 05010KT 1/4SM -RA FG VV002 RMK FG8
CaptainCanuck From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23290 times:
No pics, my friend has some. I'll try to work something out.
More details:
Aircraft landed just after a WestJet 737 (unsure of flight #). Visibility had improved slightly over the 1/4sm reported.
Reverse thrust was heard for a "longer than usual" period of time.
Aircraft is stopped with the mains just off the end of the pavement, and the nose wheel sitting down a 10 to 20 foot drop-off. Fuselage is nearly on the ground, nose wheel definitely stuck.
As of right now, the aircraft is slowly sinking into the soft ground and they are trying to figure out how to get it out of there. Debating the use of skid plates under the nose gear and a few tugs to pull it back up to the runway.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23176 times:
Quoting Hannigan (Reply 6): "I'm a cowboy! On a steeeel horse I ride!!!" - Sorry had to say it.
I was thinking more along the lines of....whooooooo, she's a little runaway.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
CaptainCanuck From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23147 times:
More info to relay:
The aircraft is well-stuck, and the plan to use two tugs, one on each main, won't work. The nose is sinking too deeply into the wet ground. And another issue is the fuel on board. They can't defuel the plane, as the only equipment capable is already full of fuel from a 727 undergoing a C check.
So it'll be there for a while if any of you YYZ area snappers want some pics...
Lnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1588 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 23089 times:
Quoting CaptainCanuck (Reply 9): The aircraft is well-stuck, and the plan to use two tugs, one on each main, won't work. The nose is sinking too deeply into the wet ground. And another issue is the fuel on board. They can't defuel the plane, as the only equipment capable is already full of fuel from a 727 undergoing a C check.
So it'll be there for a while if any of you YYZ area snappers want some pics...
CaptainCanuck From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22990 times:
JOE
"Who do ya think you're talking to, some kid that fixes bicycles? I know every inch of the 707! Take the wings off this and you could use it as a TANK! This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot."
Rampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22903 times:
Boy, I really hope they can get this Classic beauty unstuck. It'd be a shame to lose yet another of a swiftly vanishing breed.
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22869 times:
Quoting CaptainCanuck (Reply 12): JOE
"Who do ya think you're talking to, some kid that fixes bicycles? I know every inch of the 707! Take the wings off this and you could use it as a TANK! This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot."
hahaha. Whenever I see this quote, well, it's always awesome. I think us airline afficianado's should bring it out in real life, in random situations and see what the layperson thinks it.
AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22674 times:
I hope that they can repair that A/C I've seen it all over the country from MIA to SEA.
Always nice to see a 707, especially with a nice tail print like that one...
PHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22618 times:
This is the same plane that was in PHL for the last couple of days. It left yesterday for BUF. I saw them loading the catering onto it around 12:30pm on my way home from work. It was used by Pearl Jam last year as well.
ZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 894 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22384 times:
Glad they are OK. Buffalo and Hamilton are so close that had they left HSBC arena in a Limo and driven to Hamilton they would be there in little more than an hour. I realize the plane was going there anyway. It was probably a 12 minute flight.
JAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22326 times:
It is a pity this happened especially to such a nice classic. More importantly I am glad everyone is fine. It is a coincidence that there have been a few trends just recently on this exact aircraft. Hope it will keep flying.
Boeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22182 times:
Why the hell wouldn't he just fly into YYZ?
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz
"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
25 CaptainCanuck: Landing fees? Its why most charters use CYHM. Sports, music, etc. They typically all go through Hamilton and then bus/limo to the venue.
26 JAGflyer: I saw that 707 @ YYZ a few weeks ago. It had arrived from Marrakesh.
27 ChrisNH: If a plane goes off the end of a runway and nobody's there with a digital camera, did it really happen?
28 United_Fan: Wow,I would have loved to get a pic of a 707 in BUF. They probably flew to Canada because it's easier going over the border that way.
29 Leelaw: Unfortunately, George Kennedy has gone to the big hangar in the sky. Dean Martin and Barry Nelson would have stopped that beauty before the end of th
30 Dripstick: That made me chuckle! ha ha ha My guess is this flight probably opted for YHM for 3 reasons: 1. noise abatement at YYZ after hours 2. 60% less landin
31 Olympus69: If I were 40 years younger I'd go, but I don't feel like tramping across muddy fields or a golf course for half a mile or so to get anwhere near that
32 Francoflier: It depends, ever heard of Heisenberg?
33 United_Fan: On a sidenote,how many 707's are active in the world other than military ? 10 , 15 ?
34 Lnglive1011yyz: Got 'em.. Don't know if they're A.net quality, but I got 'em. I"ll try to upload them to A.net with priority. I had to crawl through private-property
35 TymnBalewne: Somebody better tell his wife! She's sleeping with a corpse! Actually, according to imdb he's still alive. C.
36 Andrewuber: We had a 727 go off the runway a few weeks ago - very similar situation. Very low speed when it left the pavement, and the aircraft sank to its axles.
37 DeltaGator: Was the sound of the landing gear getting sucked into the mud as loud as the sucking sound that Bon Jovi produces?
38 Swissy: Well lets hope the weather stays nice in YHM so the AC will not freeze on to the ground !!!! I am sure Kelowna Flight Craft will be able to get that b
39 Moparman: Folks don't laugh, but my wife and I actually saw him perform about 2 years ago. They still put on a great show; much better then a lot of current act
40 Tiger119: Who owns this aircraft? I've been looking around the internet and haven't found out. I forgot that website that has US registrations for aircraft
41 CX747: What is the current status of this beautifully maintained aircraft?
42 Yanqui67: That aircraft was here in KATL on Wednesday. I waited for two hours hoping to get a picture, it stayed for another half an hour after that, then it le
43 TUGMASTER: Lazy Bastards..... they could probably drive BUF - YYZ in an hour or so........ or is he an aviation nut, and just HAD to ride on a 707. rgds TUGMASTE
44 Lnglive1011yyz: Thanks Here's links to the photos.. I'll try to put them into here like everyone does for the self pic threads. PS, I submitted one to A.net, but I d
45 Lnglive1011yyz: If he were to drive it in that speed, he'd be speeding LOL. Try more like 2 - 2 1/2 hours.. but I get your point LOL 1011yyz
46 Bakestar: Looking at the pictures, doesn't look like there's any sign of damage, which is good news, however it'll be one hell of a bastard to get out!
47 Tiger119: - Going through the photos on A.Net I see the aircraft is owned by Lowa LTD but who are they? Charter company, do they do anything else, are they str
48 Trekster: WOW, that could of been a lot worse. If it had gone over the edge, who knows what could of happened. Was Mr Jovi on board?
50 Jafa39: I'd love to hear the black box recording for this landing...how many I's in "Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!
51 B741: The Weather Network is showing good newsreel footage at this time.
52 Lnglive1011yyz: LOL I saw them. HAHA. I actually got chased away by a cop. threatened to arrest me. (I *was* on private property that was not properly marked, so.. m
53 MiCorazonAzul: what a coincidence! I was just looking at pics of that same plane the other day. Definetly a great looking plane.......
54 B741: 1011YYZ, Those cops sure can be trouble for us good guy spotters. YYZ always gave me trouble, especially by 24L!
55 Garnetpalmetto: Man. Shot through the end, the pilot's too late, he gives landings a bad name. Seriously though, here's hoping the aircraft can be safely moved and fi
56 146CREW: I saw Bon Jovis 707 in CLT on 1/18 and got a pic, although it was from inside another plane. I had no idea at the time it was Bon Jovis!!!
57 Fly_yhm: I think this aircraft is out. From the looks of that photos that is the end of Runway 12/30. I was a westjet 737-700 land on 30 at about 4:45 today wh
58 Lnglive1011yyz: Well, that's simply because of the location.. come off airport property and you'll be okay.. but I agree.. it has got a lot better recently. Maybe bu
60 Fanofjets: The aircraft is owned by Lowa Ltd. She began life 40 plus years ago with Lufthansa as D-ABUF, Hannover. I have a picture of the very same aircraft in
61 Wjcandee: Another 20 feet at a slightly higher speed and these guys would have been ash. Wow. The aircraft has been upgraded with modern avionics (electronic di
62 DeltaGator: FYI...his last name is Bongiovi not Jovi. It translates to "really sucky wannabe hair band" in Italian. That said I find them a guilty pleasure (holy
63 Lnglive1011yyz: I won't get into any specifics, but I ran into a nice gentleman there who works for one of the companies on Site @ YHM, and he indicated that his com
64 808TWA: Hey Mikey, Awesome photos. Wish I could have made it there with you when you called this morning. But hey, I'd rather spend my Saturdays fingerprintin
65 Tiger119: - I have tried searches on several search engines, I can not find out any information on Lowa.
66 SkydrolBoy: I guess that means everyone will be using 06/24 for the next while, should make life interesting for all the 27's arriving if theres bad weather.
67 Vegasplanes: From the looks of the pics above, Joe Patroni would have no problem with this, some plywood under the tires, full reverse thrust, be outta there in 2
68 Fanofjets: I tried the same - I wonder why they remain so "secret." Lowa Ltd. also operates a 737-800 BBJ2, registered VP-BZL. I'd love to know more about this
69 Tbear815: Hey, everyone - Terrific thread. This is the way they should be! Thanks. Rod
70 Swissy: [quote=Lnglive1011yyz,reply=63]I won't get into any specifics, but I ran into a nice gentleman there who works for one of the companies on Site @ YHM,
71 Fly_yhm: Not the case As i stated in an earlier post. I was a Westjet flight land on 30 around 4:30 today. I would suspect that the aircraft once out of the m
72 Swissy: Skydrol is talking about the 27's from Cargojet and Purolater, also these guys are flying in and out over the night, so I am pretty sure if they do no
73 Fly_yhm: Not sure if this was directed at me or not. If it was I know what a 27 is im just letting you all know that I saw a Westjet 737-700 dan on 30 at arou
74 WhyWhyZed: I was there this evening, after a fine meal at the mandarin. Thanks goes to captaingomes for tipping me off about the story, on my Blackberry, so I co
75 Bohica: I'm glad to see everyone is fine and hopefully the plane will fly again. Have a nice day.
76 Fly_yhm: Jason thanks for clearing it p that it is off the runway and rwy 12/30 is open for the "27s"
77 L-188: When did this happen? I never heard about it. You guys do know in real life George Kennedy was a pilot. Ha Ha! What they need are two winches, and tw
78 Boeing767-300: You are not kidding. This could easily been another AF Toronto overun. Bongiovi and co are very luck thats for sure. Wether you like Bon Jovi or not
79 SkydrolBoy: No I wasn't refering to you, As Swissy already stated I was refering to Flightcraft and Cargojet, I've landed on 06 while jumpseating on a 727 in bad
80 DeltaGator: I know. I hate to admit but I do like them. I think they are totally cheesy but they write a good song. I hope I have as much energy as they do when
81 DAL1044: George Kennedy is still alive and well. He is 70 years old and in good health. He is a excellent actor and I had the fortune to meet him once in Las A
82 ImperialEagle: Is this aircraft converted to JT8D-219's? I seem to remember such a conversion programme going on but never got a good look at the finnished product.
84 L-188: You talking about the pylong. The is something that wasn't installed on the engine, I don't remember what it was, but that is whey the other three hav
85 EMBQA: That's typical with many 707's but I really don't remember why.
86 CaptainCanuck: Confirmed, the aircraft is out and sitting near Peninsulair. I work there and I'll be taking a ton of pictures tomorrow. Provided security doesn't try
87 Wjcandee: According to imdb.com, George (er..Joe Patroni) was born on 2/18/25. That would make him almost 81.
88 StuckinMAF: It's a CIA front company that hauls prisoners to and from the secret prisons in Europe and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
89 Scorpio: Jon Bon Jovi joked about the incident at the Toronto show last night, saying: "Rumours of our death were greatly exaggerated. The most serious injury
90 Leelaw: I apologize to Mr. Kennedy for prematurely reporting his demise, and to the forum as well for not consulting a better source than my own memory.
91 Gary2880: I'm glad to see that it looks like a fairly safe over run. Good to see it took it so well, hope to see her in the air again soon!
92 B707Stu: As my name would indicate when I hear of incidents like this I become emotional! The Joe P quotes are right on the money and from the pictures It appe
93 ReLax: Interesting - this aircraft has been up for sale since late November. Will this incident reduce the resale value? http://www.controller.com/listings/f
94 Go3Team: That joke was bad enough to make me want to crash.
95 ScottieDog: Certainly not a recent modification as the same difference can be seen on the photos submitted of the aircraft in Lufthansa service.
96 Lnglive1011yyz: Just doing my job Thanks for looking at the pics 1011yyz
97 Rolfen: Did they do an emergency evacuation (using the slides)?
98 Scarebus03: The 707 had turbocompressors fitted above engines 2,3 and 4 for the pneumatic system as most 707's unless specially modified had no engine bleed syst
99 808TWA: Hey Mikey, Official congratulations for having "Top Of The Day" with your awesome snap at YHM. Cheers, -Alan
100 SQPAX: Mike Bon Jovi...... Worth the drive to almost Acton! Good job and glad to see you took a charged-up battery and took off the lens cap! Congrats on you
101 Lnglive1011yyz: Thanks guys And YES Malc, I actually took the cap off. LOL Mike
102 Warreng24: The engine nacelles are different. The number 1,2,3 engine nacelles have compressors for the cabin pressurization. Engine 4 does not have a compresso
103 Tiger119: - It seemed like all the websites the search engines were giving have or had links with LTU. If that is the case, why the US registration? The 737-80
104 Aogdesk: On Friday night when the 707 was in BUF, right after the band got off the plane, I asked if I could have a look inside. The 2 F/A's were very accomoda
105 CaptainCanuck: No, emergency slides were not required. But, because of the severe nose down attitude, the rear air-stairs did not exactly reach the ground. It was a
106 Lnglive1011yyz: Exactly what my thoughts were.. BTW, thank you very much CaptainCanuck for your tip-off. Had it not been for you, I wouldn't have reaped the benfits
107 Bwi757: Where did it go after Hamilton? Wondering if I saw it today while in Laurel MD on approach to BWI BWI757
108 Aogdesk: They're doing 4 shows in YYZ.....so it might be there for a few days
109 Jran225: Hey guys, a flight plan has just been filed for this beauty. The aircraft will depart YHM at 10:10AM for IAG. The flight is only 20 minutes long and w
110 BWI757: Thanks for that info. Don't see too many 4 holers around BWI, and the bottom of the aircraft seemed dark blue like the picture BWI757
111 STEELHEAD: N88ZL departed YHM today around 2.30 p.m. for Buffalo. No visible damage - nice depature ! Regards !
112 WhyWhyZed: Why is that? they're still performing in Toronto tonight and tomorrow. http://theaircanadacentre.com/ or will it still be returning to YHM, to pick t
113 Dripstick: It did not go to BUF. They went up for one circuit to make sure all systems were okay and then landed and taxiied back in. A great looking aircraft. I
114 ReidYYZ: My memory sucks, but I vaguely remember something like: Jr. Apprentice: Joe, the 707 won't do that, the manuals say so. Joe Patroni: It's a good thin
115 United_fan: ReidYYZ,I think it's ; "Wow,Mr Petroni , the manual says that couldn't be done'. "That's the nice thing about the 707,i can do everything but read." F
116 Dripstick: This aircraft departed YHM today and is now at YYZ. Not sure what FBO but that's where they were headed. Dripstick
117 WhyWhyZed: Damn, I was just to go back up to see it at 3. Oh well, anything else interesting there Andy? - Jason DePodesta
118 JetCaptain: Information as of 1/25/2006 7:08:36 PM GMT FlightID: N88ZL (General Aviation Jet) Status: IN FLIGHT Owner: LOWA LTD Ground Spd: 377 kts Altitude: 17,3
119 JAM747: Glad to hear that this beauty was not damaged badly. Does anyone know when this plane will com to JFK again or is there a way to track where she flies
120 JetCaptain: FlightID: N88ZL Status: FILED Filed With: KZNY - New York, NY Equipment: H/B703/L Proposed Departure Time: 1700Z Departing: JFK JOHN F KENNEDY INTL De
121 JetCaptain: FlightID: N88ZL Status: ACTIVE Filed With: KZNY - New York, NY Equipment: H/B703/L Proposed Departure Time: 2030Z Departing: EWR NEWARK LIBERTY INTL D
122 Tiger119: - When is this plane going to be at IND?
123 AirTran737: It's in MKE as we speak. I got to watch it come in earlier this evening.
124 PHLJJS: Just left PHL at 12:30pm and saw this plane parked near Atlantic Aviation at Island ave. and Enterprise Ave. Saw it from the back and left side but it
125 UAL Bagsmasher: Here she is in PHL today: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../aircraftdoctor/707/Picture044.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../aircraftdo
126 Dripstick: I was able to grab a few photos of her while still at YHM. Best looking B707 next to Travolta's I have seen... Dripstick
127 Lnglive1011yyz: Andy, Beautiful shots my friend -- absolutely stunning. Glad they were able to get her in the air.. while I was crouched in the bushtails and mud gett
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