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User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 305 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2187 times:

I understand prior to 9/11 and a little after the US allowed transits without visas with the understanding that the carrier airline was responsible to ensure that those passengers were boarded.

I just would like to know is their really such a need to stop the program?

Were there any passengers that "escaped" from the watchful eye of the airline?

Has the ending of the program actually helped promote safety in US immigration.

Any insight is greatly appreciated.

diesel33

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2169 times:
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I love the name of that program, TWOV! Always sounded a little middle eart to me.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2156 times:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html

http://www.hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/2004_04.html

Under Friday, April 2, 2004.

"Current USA law requires anyone wishing to enter or transit the USA under the Visa Waiver Program after 26 October 2004 to have a machine readable biometric passport in whatever format is adopted by ICAO as a standard."

I am just ass-u-ming that, unless you are a citizen of a VISA waiver country, that you must have a VISA to transit the U.S.A. I did not read all the info, but that is what I got out of it.

M


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2150 times:

Yes they could with some restrictions. The main one was that you had to be able to segregate these people into a facility that only allowed exit via Customs/INS inspection.
The current restrictions are mainly part of the dog and pony show of ridiculous "security" precautions to keep you "safe". It's kind of ironic, all the 9-11 terrorists entered this country legally and would still be allowed in under the current laws. hmmmmm.



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User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2135 times:

This is what my friend told my flying from paris to Tahiti via LAX. On disembarking in LAX, he had to go through immigration, got stamped as entering the country and a few metres later another immigration where he is stamped leaving the country ! He then waited to reboard the plane to take him to Tahiti. I guess they have special immigration booths (entry and exit) for transitting pax...

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

As far as I know the United States does not have any exit controlls other than returning the visa waver form to the airline on departure.

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Thread starter):
I understand prior to 9/11 and a little after the US allowed transits without visas with the understanding that the carrier airline was responsible to ensure that those passengers were boarded.

I heard of many cases where Colombian nationals destroyed their passports during the flights and threw the pieces in the toilets then flush them. Once they got to the sterile area, they did not board their connecting flights, instead, they went directly to immigration to claim asylum.

Quoting Flyboy36y (Reply 5):
As far as I know the United States does not have any exit controlls other than returning the visa waver form to the airline on departure.

In some airports there are INS or Homeland Security Officers with a Machine to read passports in front of the gates. They swipe passports and collect the I94's and give you a receipt. Maybe his friend had to go through this...


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Thread starter):
Were there any passengers that "escaped" from the watchful eye of the airline?

Yes, we were especially concerned about the guy with the new tennis shoes on bolting when he got out the door. The air carrier contracted out the escorting of these individuals. Often the escorting person was two days younger than Mosses and could not catch that young guy.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 2):
I am just ass-u-ming that, unless you are a citizen of a VISA waiver country, that you must have a VISA to transit the U.S.A. I did not read all the info, but that is what I got out of it.

True. They can transit the US with a "C1" visa or even that B1/2.

Quoting Parisien (Reply 4):
This is what my friend told my flying from paris to Tahiti via LAX. On disembark in LAX, he had to go through immigration, got stamped as entering the country and a few metres later another immigration where he is stamped leaving the country

Curious to know the citizenship of your friend. Possible he was an NSEER registrant.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 6):
In some airports there are INS or Homeland Security Officers with a Machine to read passports in front of the Gates. They swipe passports and collect the I94's and give you a receipt

These individuals are not affiliated with DHS or the former INS. They are contracted out by TSA.



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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Thread starter):
Were there any passengers that "escaped" from the watchful eye of the airline?

Yes and most of time they are from Haiti or Cuba

Hawk44



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