BA747 From Venezuela, joined Sep 2005, 104 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2579 times:
I read in a local newspaper today at CCS that UA is coming out of chapter 11 sometime in February. They will restructure the company to make it profitable again. Good news. Does that means that we will probably see them flying again to CCS from MIA and NYC? I hope so.
Mcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1278 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
If we come back to CCS it will most likely be from IAD or ORD. The JFK and MIA markets were drawn down to concentrate on the hubs during bankruptcy. There was just not enough feed at the end of those flights in the states so if any new international flying is commenced it would be from one of the hubs.
UAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
Um, have you been under a rock? This is old news...
Perhaps you're not a native English speaker, so I will go easier on you than UAPremierGuy did...
UAL has spent the last three years restructuring, and to some extent, they will continue doing so after they reemerge (legally speaking) from court protection. Companies that want to stay in business and remain profitable have to constantly restructure in order to maximize profits.
Quoting BA747 (Thread starter): Does that means that we will probably see them flying again to CCS
Never say never, but given the political situation in your country, and the fact that UAL doesn't have a lot (if any) extra aircraft to resume service to CCS anytime soon. UAL is focusing on routes that show the greatest profit potential, rather than just for prestige. About time, if you ask me.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2413 times:
Quoting Tozairport (Reply 5): The judge approved it. CH 11 exit is slated for Feb. 1st as long as no creditors appeal the judges decision.
That's unlikely, considering the creditors committee overwhelmingly approved the plan, and withdrew all objections prior to the confirmation hearing. There are ZERO obstacles now preventing UA from exiting.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2529 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 8): There are ZERO obstacles now preventing UA from exiting.
I can think of one: sanctions and/or military action on Iran force the price of oil and thereby JET-A to skyrocket even higher than they were with the Iraq War.
Being that UA's business model hedges on what, $40 or $50 dollar barrels of oil (just closed at like $68/barrell,) UA could be screwed real bad, real quick. But that wouldn't just be UA, but NW and DL just as well would face near liquidation. In fact, as WN weens itself off of less and less fuel hedges the entire US commercial aviation market would tank which would nescessitate immense action from the White House and Capitol Hill to save the entire industry. Quite frankly, if Iran's #1 customer of oil in China were to suddenly re-circulate thier $800 billion in US currency at that same time as in to protest any action against Iran, it could all be the beginning of the end - all starting with the US commercial airline industry! (Sounds like a new Tom Clancy novel, eh?! )
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2362 times:
Oil prices may screw up UA's plan for operation outside of bankruptcy (though I believe they have contingency plans for prices up to $75/barrel), but it won't delay their exit in less than 2 weeks.
Tozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2345 times:
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7): I'll believe it when I see it.
It'll happen, just as sure as the pimples on your face and the Playboy's between your mattress .
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 9): Being that UA's business model hedges on what, $40 or $50 dollar barrels of oil (just closed at like $68/barrell,) UA could be screwed real bad, real quick. But that wouldn't just be UA, but NW and DL just as well would face near liquidation. In fact, as WN weens itself off of less and less fuel hedges the entire US commercial aviation market would tank which would nescessitate immense action from the White House and Capitol Hill to save the entire industry.
Or.... The carriers could just raise the airfares to pay for the gas. WN's hedges will run out eventually, and air fares will rise. If the US aviation industry hasn't collapsed yet with all that has happened, then I think it will make it through any oil spikes.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2529 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2329 times:
Quoting Tozairport (Reply 12): The carriers could just raise the airfares to pay for the gas.
The legacy carriers have been trying that for over the last decade! Legacy carriers finnally got HP/US to accept a $5ow/$10rt fare increase this last week but they are still waiting to see what the other LCC's do before even that fare hike will increase; they didn't take a fare increase as late as just two weeks ago.
The facts of the matter are that WN could raise their rates 25% and the legacy carriers would still have trouble turning a profit at those rates. I like WN as well as anyone but they opened a pandora's box for commericial airline travel in the United States and the jury is still out as to just how the US airline industry on a whole will pan out in the next decade because of it: oil is the number reason for their ills.
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