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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

It will be a 3x weekly service CDG-EVN-CDG probably to be launched early spring.
Ni info is given on the aircraft type yet.

On the other hand, Armavia started 2x weekly EVN-TLV-EVN on January 15th. The airline plans for Delhi and Manchester as well.

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User currently offlineElagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

MANchester?!?!? Awesome! Exotic! I had no idea there was a natural market there...

Wait a minute. MAN and DEL at the same time... This is sounding a bit like Air Slovakia's (or is it Slovak Airlines? Corrections welcome) little link between BHX and Amritsar. Well, good luck to them; it's mostly a low-margin VFR market, but their operating expenses can't be too too high.

As for AF's arrival in EVN, why in hell weren't they there, like, 10 years ago? Everybody and his dog in Armenia has relatives in France. This one will definitely grow, big time. I predict dailies before this time next year.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting Elagabal (Reply 1):
As for AF's arrival in EVN, why in hell weren't they there, like, 10 years ago?

Actually, they were there like 12-13 years ago through their subsidiary Air Charter before pulling out due to technical difficulties and poor airport handling.

Armenian carriers have been operating direct EVN-CDG flights since 1989. First through Aeroflot, later Armenian Airlines and Armenian Int'l Airways and now Armavia. Armavia had daily EVN-CDG flights this past summer so there is, as you say, a lot of traffic.

Quoting Elagabal (Reply 1):
MAN and DEL at the same time

Good observation, didn't figure it out myself.


User currently offlineElagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 2):
Actually, they were there like 12-13 years ago through their subsidiary Air Charter before pulling out due to technical difficulties and poor airport handling.

Interesting tip, thank you. I was always surprised at how one-way the service seemed to be (IE all ex-EVN), and the logistical problems would explain a lot. Assuming that AF's desire to serve EVN mainline partly reflects an improving situation, this is a credit to Armenia, as well as just simply good news.

[Edited 2006-01-23 11:19:52]

User currently offlineOobitsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Greetings from Yerevan. This is good news. I just flew in on BMED last night from Heathrow. Decent flight, but some more competition will be good.

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Quoting Oobitsa (Reply 4):
Greetings from Yerevan. This is good news. I just flew in on BMED last night from Heathrow. Decent flight, but some more competition will be good.

How's the weather in Yerevan? Freezing I suppose. Haven't been there since 1998!

I think there is some competition from OS and LH, and even OK. The merrier, the better.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Quoting OD720 (Thread starter):
It will be a 3x weekly service CDG-EVN-CDG probably to be launched early spring.
Ni info is given on the aircraft type yet.

Mo / We / Sa . CDG.1:20PM ---> EVN.8:55PM - AF3344 - A320

Tu / Th / Su . EVN.09;15AM ---> CDG. 11:20AM - AF3345 - A320


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Thanks for that Pierre. Will the flight continue from EVN to elsewhere in the region or is it just a long layover?

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Vatche - who flies to Tel Aviv and Delhi from Yerevan?

Good news though for AF beginning the service. I am sure that they will have a significant feed from their LAX flights. BA is usually pretty expensive and if I'm not mistaken its the only onestop service from LAX to EVN on the same airline (other than probably SU which people try to avoid anyway).

My cousin goes to Armenia pretty often and she usually goes on DL/OK through JFK and PRG.

What European airlines other than BA, OS, OK and now AF fly to Yerevan?

One of these days I want to go to Armenia as well...everyone I know that goes there comes back having loved it. Oobista and OD720, what are your impressions of it?



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

That will be a layover.

The schedules were studied to offer at CDG the widest connection with AF long-haul network, particularly to/from destinations where you find the biggest Armenian Diaspora.

I am very happy to see AF flying to Armenia. Never been there yet.
I am sure this flight will be successful & profitable. We won't have to wait for long to see additional frequencies I believe...


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

This is long overdue. There is good demand between Paris and EVN, and AF will be able to scoop up a lot of LAX-EVN traffic.

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

LH also now fly there from MUC I think

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 11):
LH also now fly there from MUC I think

They do, and so

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 8):
BA is usually pretty expensive and if I'm not mistaken its the only onestop service from LAX to EVN on the same airline (other than probably SU which people try to avoid anyway).

there is another onestop LAX-EVN flight on the same airline. However, the LAX-MUC-EVN sector has a pretty long layover in MUC, while the connection on the return is not that bad.



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

If I remember correctly, Armenia is one of the few countries with more citizens abroad than in the country itself. There must be quite a huge market of VRF traffic.

By the way, isn't Zidane of Armenian heritage? Or do I mix it up?


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 4063 times:
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It is interesting, in or near Pasadena, California, I think there are more Armenians than in Armenia. I could see where the LAX-EVN service succeeds swimmingly.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 13):
Zidane

The clue is in the last name, -ian or -yan, for those of Armenian heritage. Some American-Armenians did drop the -ian upon landing on the shores for fear of discrimination.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 13):
By the way, isn't Zidane of Armenian heritage?

He is of Kabyle heritage (a non-Arabic ethnic minority of Algeria). Maybe it's the -ane termination of his name which made you think of that. Many Armenian names instead end in -ian.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Didnt VG or VH airlines (A Belgian) airline fly EVN-BRU-LAX? or plan to? with A330's


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting OD720 (Thread starter):
Armavia started 2x weekly EVN-TLV-EVN on January 15th.

Is there a market for that route ?? I know there is an Armenian community in Israel but i'm not sure about 2 flights a week!

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 13):
isn't Zidane of Armenian heritage?

Algerian heritage.


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Makes sense that AF fly to Armenia. There is a large Armenian community in France (ie Charles Aznavour).
Many in Los Angeles so I am sure AF will get connecting traffic.
Glad to see Armavia in TLV.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 10):
LAX-EVN traffic.

I bet they wish they were flying out of BUR Big grin

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 14):
It is interesting, in or near Pasadena, California, I think there are more Armenians than in Armenia.

Actually, it is right next door to Pasadena in Glendale where there are a massive number of Armenians (a smaller group lives in Hollywood), many of whom are the Los Angeles double whammy of Armenian and Iranian



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 17):
Is there a market for that route ?? I know there is an Armenian community in Israel but i'm not sure about 2 flights a week!

They have a good CIS network, including 3 or 4x daily to Moscow so maybe they will try to explore this market.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 8):
One of these days I want to go to Armenia as well...everyone I know that goes there comes back having loved it. Oobista and OD720, what are your impressions of it?

It is different  Smile
To be honest, I was there during the transition period and those years were difficult. They say it's a lot better these days as a city. It is rich with history like many of the places in the region like Turkey, Greece etc.
Some love it, some don't but the diaspora has had a positive effect on the country's development.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

There was a fascinating article about Yerevan and Armenia in a National Geographic issue from maybe about two years ago. A fairly lengthy article with many pictures. It was quite good.

It looks like a very interesting place. I'd love to visit someday.

Regards



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 20):
They have a good CIS network, including 3 or 4x daily to Moscow so maybe they will try to explore this market

i guess that could be a possibility!  eyebrow 


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