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New AirTran Service To White Plains...  
User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

AirTran Airways Soars Into White Plains, N.Y.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060123/nym230.html?.v=21

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Wow...didnt see that one comming!

They should do very well there, though im supruised seeing how cramped the teminal is.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8770 times:

It can handle 100 seat aircraft a couple times a day.

I may have to try this route this summer, as my Grandfather lives in white plains in the summer.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Wow, after re-reading the article, there will be PBI-Westchester flights.

My grandfather lives in westchester in the summer and palm beach the rest of the year. Who would have thunk he'd ever have a direct flight?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8744 times:

This relates to a now archived thread after FLYI announced they were going under. Back then someone asked about whether B6 would head to Florida from HPN, but clearly FL has stepped up to the plate. We'll see how they do, and the ATL flight is interesting too. A decent business market, I would think.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

it will be interesting to see Delta's response, as they have only a token presence in HPN with only 2-3 ATL RJs


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

WOW - I am surprised.
It'll be interesting to see how a true LCC is received in "upscale" Westchester County....



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33052 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8686 times:

am very surprised, but pleased. Hope it does well. Finally, non-stops between South Florida and HPN...but who would of thunk they would go to PBI? Hopefully MIA and/or FLL service comes in the near future if airTran does well at HPN. The market exists.


a.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8679 times:

Well i think FL will do just fine, though the full potential impact will never be realized due to limited terminal facilities and also limited parking facilities, they only have one 3-4 deck parking garage for both short and long term, thats it.


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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 995 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8601 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
.but who would of thunk they would go to PBI?

me, PBI is the HPN of Florida, a lot of well off New Yorkers have second homes in the PBI area.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

I've never seen them announce a new city and destinations without frequency, schedule, or start date. Could they be trying to get the jump on some other carrier (cough B6)?

User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8529 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Finally, non-stops between South Florida and HPN...

in the early 90's Carnival flew direct fo Florida from HPN. The times I flew the plane was typically flew, I think this service will be well recieved, people hate having to go down to Laguardia or JFK to go direct fo Florida.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 6):
It'll be interesting to see how a true LCC is received in "upscale" Westchester County....

They'll do just fine. I suspect you haven't flown FL. It's not a cattle car, like WN. FL isn't looking for markets that they can flood with $49 seats. They seemed to be focused on markets where they can get people to buy higher yiels tickets. I love that I can fly CAK-LGA for $350 and have a J class seat. It sure beats $1000 for a same day r/t from CLE in coach. Those high yield customers will love that they save money and get better service. No RJ's, no cattle car, no car service to one of the big 3 airports either.


User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

And let's not forget that Air Florida flew to Florida from HPN in the 80s as well.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 11):
The times I flew the plane was typically flew

I would hope so...otherwise you wouldn't have gotten very far!



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 6):
It'll be interesting to see how a true LCC is received in "upscale" Westchester County....

I don't see the "snob appeal" argument against LCCs, mentioned before with this and other similar airlines. Affluent folk enjoy a bargain as much as anyone, unless they their own jet, have money to burn specifically for first class, or fly enough to have a surplus of frequent flier upgrades. A well-run LCC airline is just as appealing, given the level of service and amenities given on most carriers these days, LCC or not. Even compared against first class upgrades or outright purchase of same, an all-economy airline might still be preferable if the flight is convenient and comfortable.

Or do we think everyone flying out of Burbank, Orange County, Long Island, Savanna, and Providence make less than $40k?

AirTran could be fine out of White Plains!

-Rampart


User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Nice to see an airline giving the smaller places a chance among the likes of HPN, BMI, and MLI. Perhaps we'll see more of these kind of cities?


'Cause you're on ATA again, and on ATA, you're on vacation!
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 12):
Those high yield customers will love that they save money and get better service. No RJ's, no cattle car, no car service to one of the big 3 airports either.

No disagreements from me, although I know firsthand that long-term parking at HPN is very expensive and not very plentiful. I have not flown AirTran, actually, but would have no problems doing so.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 15):
I don't see the "snob appeal" argument against LCCs, mentioned before with this and other similar airlines. Affluent folk enjoy a bargain as much as anyone, unless they their own jet, have money to burn specifically for first class, or fly enough to have a surplus of frequent flier upgrades.

Remember this "LCC" has a business class, more than Delta can say with the CRJ runs through Atlanta. This should be a good pick-up for FL. Pretty hard to loose money on Florida runs too.

Craig
MKE



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 18):
Pretty hard to loose money on Florida runs too.

I hope you're kidding.


User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

Now get ready for ISP!!!


Joe


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8202 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 15):
I don't see the "snob appeal" argument against LCCs, mentioned before with this and other similar airlines. Affluent folk enjoy a bargain as much as anyone, unless they their own jet, have money to burn specifically for first class, or fly enough to have a surplus of frequent flier upgrades.

Many people living in the vicinity of HPN actually do fall into one or more of these categories. Maybe not the one about having their own jets, but certainly many are able to fly First/Business class and have ample FF awards. I can't think of any other airport in the United States that is in such an upscale area.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8128 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 21):

Many people living in the vicinity of HPN actually do fall into one or more of these categories. Maybe not the one about having their own jets, but certainly many are able to fly First/Business class and have ample FF awards. I can't think of any other airport in the United States that is in such an upscale area.

True, but most of upper middle class Westchester Country still likes a good value and convenient services.....ATL for biz traffic and connections will definitely work out of HPN, and the Florida services will also be well recieved - especially the PBI servce - lots of Westchester and Lower Connecticut residents have second homes in the Palm Beach and Boca Raton areas and would be will to pay a higher fare to avoid the drive out to LGA, JFK or EWR....HPN is so convenient. Its going to be very interesting to see how AirTran prices its new HPN services - while I am certain that the fares will represent good value, I dont think that AirTran has $49 HPN to Florida fares in mind.

Any idea on when the schedules will be announced?

Very interesting move by AirTran, I think that they will do well here.


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 986 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8128 times:

My sister-in-law lives outside of White Plains. Do you think they will sell any one way only tickets?


"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8128 times:
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The people definitely exist in Westchester/Fairfield to fill a FL plane to Florida. The question is will they yield be high enough given low fares. FL will not be able to charge that much of a premium over LGA, and given the huge competition at LGA, fares will remain low. Given the low fares, can FL make money at HPN even with a high load factor? Hopefully, but we'll see!

25 Post contains images Redngold : There used to be daily flights by USAirways (F100), American Airlines (F100) and United Airlines (735) so I have no doubt that an AirTran 717 will fi
26 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : Funny that the first sentence of the press release mentions that FL's 717's are "quiet." Good for AirTran, and good for Westchester and Fairfield. As
27 OttoPylit : I agree, I hope your kidding. I doubt FL is trying to snag any Westchester Cty folks with these flights. FL is known for flying into an area without
28 AirTran737 : I'm pretty sure that we have almost a billion dollars in the bank that we can use on whatever we want. We did a lot of research and for our average s
29 Post contains images TWA902fly : If you're willing to buy one, they'll sell it to you '902
30 Post contains links Tornado82 : Airtran tickets are sold as one-ways like all the other LCC's. Check your sources. Airtran already flys to EWR and LGA both, so I doubt they're tryin
31 Dartland : I have to agree with Tornado -- YES, they ARE going after Westchester/Fairfield. HPN is not an airport people from other parts of the metro area comm
32 Spinkid : This is true, but you can actually get your friends to drop you off and pick you up at HPN. I have alot of friends who won't take me to JFK or LGA, g
33 RL757PVD : Whats funny is everyone is saying how the LCC wont do as good in the upscale area... Has any looked at the aircraft flying to HPN these days!?!? the A
34 MD90fan : Pretty interesting. I guess they found a niche in the HPN-PBI market. DL will probably try to chase FL out or hurt yields and loads by throwing some R
35 FA4B6 : WOW! What a surprise! I was really hoping B6 to to start HPN service. It'll be great seeing the 717's land while I'm driving down 684.[Edited 2006-01-
36 BH : [ That's just not true. LGA,EWR are already served so HPN is a nice compliment to the area. If they were scared of congestion would they be in ATL and
37 727LOVER : Any link to financial statement that says this?
38 Post contains images OttoPylit : " target=_blank>http://www.airtran.com/route-map/cit....aspx No people, I'm not saying FL doesn't serve the NYC market, I know they already servce LGA
39 TOLtommy : Since a high % of FL's sales are booked directly thru their website, I'll bet they've studied the detail, and found Westchester Cty was driving into
40 Ikramerica : actually, it's the other way around. sort of. A lot of well off FORMER new yorkers have a second house in westchester and greenwich areas. Why the di
41 Rampart : Aspen (ASE) and Eagle (EGE) Colorado.
42 Warszawa : Great news! Sweet to have HPN-MCO/PBI something HPN probably has never seen before. I forgot that Delta operates HPN-ATL, though only 2-3 CRJs? Maybe
43 Ikramerica : But those are more vacation destinations than a place where there is a large, wealthy population base that lives there year round. Many resort airpor
44 JmhLUV2fly : I think the new announced service to White Plains should work well, Im sure FL researched the market as said above, the carrier makes informed decisio
45 Rampart : OK, granted. And those ski resorts don't have any LCCs flying to them. (You might say, however, that all the Florida resorts have an affluent, as wel
46 Zoom530 : Too bad we can't get SWF rolling along...so many of us living in the upper Mid-Hudson Valley would use Stewart exclusively. Check out the current airf
47 Post contains images BigOrange : Probably the most expensive airport parking in the country! Why you wanna go shack up with your sister-in-law? How does your brother feel about that
48 Ikramerica : I didn't know we were arguing about something here... I made no suggestion that an LCC could or couldn't work here or there or anywhere. The question
49 DAYflyer : Hats off to Airtran. I wish them much success in their new service! I have enjoyed every flight with them.
50 RL757PVD : i think alot of people here are missing the key point here.... Everyone is talking about an LCC in an upscale market NO one is talking about how FL wo
51 OttoPylit : Yep, anyone who is willing to give a couple million taxpayer money to an airline just to offer low fares and 4 flights a day can have Airtran service
52 PVD757 : which makes me wonder why Midwest doesn't fly to HPN. Hey, whats been going on over in MKE anyway - talk about an airline flyingunder the radar, I ca
53 RL757PVD : Can you source this? Id find it very hard to believe that HPN, with their anti-growth and anti-airport issues would offer eny kind in incentives to a
54 OttoPylit : Sure. I wasn't saying HPN was offering the money, I was satiring his suggestion that Airtran carefully studies markets. Some cities right off the top
55 RL757PVD : Well i know they have gotten subsidies or grants in the past, but i dont think it has anything to do with them chosing HPN. Though what major airline
56 Travatl : Couple of interesting tidbits from the Q4/Annual conference call this morning: HPN facilities WERE purchased from Flyi for an undisclosed amount, but
57 PHLBOS : That'll be a site to see during my holiday drives to New England (from Philly). And how is that any different from WN operating out of many secondary
58 RL757PVD : Im wondering if HPN courted them at all, Id venture to guess, FL was the one that started the talks.
59 Quickmover : So is this Airport slot restricted? Could they go beyond the 6 or 7 flights discussed? I have a feeling this route is going to go extremely well. HPN
60 AirTran737 : Don't worry about or hangar, I'm sure we'll try to pick up the old Eastern one that you guys can't pay for anymore. And you and I both know that the
61 BH : Yup. You usually get things stirred up a little in here, so it does make it a little more interesting.
62 Post contains links and images OttoPylit : Thats interesting, I didn't even know FlyI served HPN. But then again, I never really checked. See, exactly what I've been saying the whole thread. I
63 Post contains links and images ExFATboy : Well, they already do, since their XM radio system is provided by Live TV. More money for JetBlue...
64 Tornado82 : And that's coming of the Fanboy of the airline with 732's still floating out there, and the world's biggest collection of Crappy Regional Jets.
65 RL757PVD : You make it sound like a more fuel efficient, newer and cleaner version of a solid aircraft that is still flying nearly 40 years of service is a bad
66 LTBEWR : Will AirTran also offer HPL-ATL service? I would think that would be great as ATL is their major hub and a major business center. The primary market o
67 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : So which is it? WN floods the market with $49 fares, or WN being a low fare airline is only an illusion? It's hard to keep up on A.net. Exactly. That
68 JmhLUV2fly : Yeah I know OttoPylit is known to stir things up on this forum but I just find it really intresting that someone can actually belittle a company that
69 Post contains links and images Pensacolaguy : Congratulates on HPN landing FL. Just to clarify incorrect/misleading information, FL was "sweetened" from VPS to PNS by a pledge from local business
70 Post contains links OttoPylit : Then you might wanna close up the book now, because your gonna hate this non-fiction work of art. Thats exactly right. Your catching on. If they go t
71 Tornado82 : Sorry, they're already in EWR. My girlfriend flew them just a couple weeks ago.
72 Ejmmsu : Don't they serve LGA too?
73 OttoPylit : I meant to FL. The main thread is about FL getting HPN-Florida service. If they go to EWR for Florida flights, their gonna get their ass kicked. Otto
74 Ejmmsu : Luckily for FL, they actually have route planning based in reality, and they aren't trying to fly Florida-EWR
75 OttoPylit : Yep, their flying around the market and into HPN, something I've already said. Thanks for confirming that for me. OttoPylit
76 PlanesNTrains : I'd suggest looking in a mirror. First of all, you aren't the only person I responded to in my post, so if I didn't offer something of value to you p
77 Jmhluv2fly : OttoPylit: I apreciate your civilized responces with my sincerity. I was released from my position at AirTran for reasons I believe to be controversia
78 AirTran737 : I'd really like to know when we're going to start this city. Usually the flight schedule is in the system at the time of the announcement of service,
79 BonanzaAir : OttoPylit - Given that city coffers will eventually dry up, and Airtran won't be able to support themselves, how long do you give Airtran before they
80 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Wavy Gravy koolaid? First, you claim: Okay, not making money - all earnings paid by cities they fly to. Ok.... Then, you claim: So now two thirds of
81 Post contains images OttoPylit : These are simple, to the point comments that are relevant? Yea, they sound real relavent to me. I "hijacked" the thread? Being that this is an open f
82 AirTran737 : He'res the flight schedule From Departs Arrives Frequency Atlanta 8:00 a.m. 10:20 a.m. Daily West Palm Beach 11:44 a.m. 2:29 p.m. Daily Nonstop Atlant
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