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ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK  
User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2...6/01/23/news/20060123_ne02_sfo.txt


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

I love the inaccuracies in this article:

Quote:
Despite SFO’s long-standing campaign to recruit discount airlines, ATA will be the fourth in a list of low-fare carriers to part ways with SFO since late last September, when Independence Air announced it would fold because of high fuel prices. In October, Song announced a merger with parent company Delta; then, this winter, WestJet quietly stopped serving SFO, airport representatives said.

Independence didn't announce their folding until right before the shutdown in January.

Song is not merging with Delta, as it was never a separate airline, Songs operations are reverting back to DL.


User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
Independence didn't announce their folding until right before the shutdown in January.


True, but they did pull out of SFO long before they folded.

I realize that any loss of traffic is not good for SFO, but IMO I don't think that .5% of the total traffic is going to bring down the operation. TZ started downsizing their SFO operation long ago. IIRC they are at 2 dailies to MDW, that's all.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

The move definitely makes sense given the codeshare.

So that means that US Airways will have all six gates on Rotunda B to itself. That's enough for a small focus city if they wanted to bother  Wink

I wonder what the Hawaii competition will do to Aloha's flights from OAK.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 3):
wonder what the Hawaii competition will do to Aloha's flights from OAK.

This can't be good news for AQ. Won't this be ITO's first scheduled passenger service to the mainland in quite some time? Interesting that TZ has chosen ITO over KOA to penetrate the Big Island market from OAK.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 4):
Won't this be ITO's first scheduled passenger service to the mainland in quite some time? Interesting that TZ has chosen ITO over KOA to penetrate the Big Island market from OAK.

I think they chose ITO because KOA has seen a massive jump in mainland traffic of late and they see the largely empty Hilo as a market they can exploit.



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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

New TZ code share for HOU-LGA as well.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060123/dam045.html?.v=33

Just a FYI.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6002 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

4everRC: Actually they were also 1 daily Hawaii with HNL 4 weekly and OGG 3 weekly. This will be good for HP/US operation as they now will have another gate. I'd love to see AS get gate 25, but don't see it happening.

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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

I dunno, HP/US wasn't exactly overstretching the five gates they had. They have, max at SFO:

3x CLT
3x PHL
1x PIT
7x LAS
6x PHX

That's not that many flights for 5 gates. I wonder if they'll consider adding any service... that is, if they have any planes to do it.



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting As739x (Reply 7):
I'd love to see AS get gate 25, but don't see it happening.

Not sure what the plans are for the old international terminal, but I would
like to see AS move in there if it is either refurbished or rebuilt.
Better location than the current spot...taxi times would drop quite a bit as
well.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
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I hope ATA doesn't meet the same fate as Markair when they moved across the bay.

Is ATA using 738's on all of their HI flights?

I would imagine that ATA would be using current WN gates at OAK.


User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

If they are using 737s, how long will the WN pilots allow that to go on? Flying to HI has got to be a choice route not to be left to a codeshare partner?

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
Song is not merging with Delta, as it was never a separate airline, Songs operations are reverting back to DL.

you're grasping at straws here. The only legitimate inaccuracy was the wording which made it sound like Indy Air folded in September. How would you have worded it to say that Song was going back into Delta ops and have it as easy to read and understand for the lay-person?



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User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
Is ATA using 738's on all of their HI flights?

All of the routes from California are on 73Hs (OAK-HNL/OGG/ITO, ONT-HNL, LAX-OGG/HNL). The PHX-HNL/OGG and LAS-HNL routes are still on 752s.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
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I imagine ATA will use WN gates at OAK.

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
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I assume when the new addition to Terminal 2 is open, ATA will either operate from 1 or 2 of those gates, or as I think, operate from the gates WN will leave at the end of Terminal 1 (10-17) when WN moves to the new gates.

As for Hilo, I think it will be a better served route now than when only widebodies flew into there from the Mainland as well as the DC-8s.

[Edited 2006-01-24 20:16:12]


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 2):
True, but they did pull out of SFO long before they folded.

But the way the article is worded, it makes it sound as though Indy folded in September of last year.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 12):

you're grasping at straws here. The only legitimate inaccuracy was the wording which made it sound like Indy Air folded in September. How would you have worded it to say that Song was going back into Delta ops and have it as easy to read and understand for the lay-person?

I would have worded it as followed:

In October, Delta announced that the operations of its' low fare airline Song would be transferred into Delta's regular operations.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Problem with SFO is each terminal wing is treated as a business unit.

Every airline is charged for the gates they use, office etc at differing rates depending on customer visibility and retail revenue..

i.e. Gate 1 Highest, Gate 100 cheapest etc. (These are charged by 5 zones based on price).

But additionally each airline using a terminal is charged a service charge divided equally between all the airlines..

ie. 1 flight a day or 100 a day, service charge is the same.

10 airlines and $10 Terminal Svce charge means $1 each..
1 airline and $10 Terminal Svce Charge means $10 to that airline.


When all airlines bail from one terminal that airline that left gets the whole service charge, even if they use the terminal 1 time a day !!

And so the "most shared" low cost terminals tend to fall like a deck of cards, when one goes.

I recall in 2002 when AC, SWA and NWA pulled out from one of the terminals, NWA, AC to different terminals leaving Alaska and National the full bill...



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User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 17):
I recall in 2002 when AC, SWA and NWA pulled out from one of the terminals, NWA, AC to different terminals leaving Alaska and National the full bill...

???? NW has always been in the same domestic terminal at SFO, even before the acquisition of RC (and that was in 1986).

[Edited 2006-01-25 14:07:05]


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