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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Why did Delta put the MD-88's on Delta Shuttle Routes? Why did they switch from the 733s?

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User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

The MD-88s provided for additional capacity....and DL is in the process of retiring all 733s. There was thought to go back to the 738 on the Shuttle, but it is just too big of a plane and DL has other plans for those birds. Plus the MD-88 has a rear exit to help in deplaning.


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User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting Rolo987 (Thread starter):
Why did they switch from the 733s?

DL also had a few 738s dedicated to the shuttle routes:


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User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
Plus the MD-88 has a rear exit to help in deplaning.

Do they really use that rear exit (I'm assuming the MD-88 has stairs in the tail) for deplaning passengers?



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 3):
Do they really use that rear exit (I'm assuming the MD-88 has stairs in the tail) for deplaning passengers?

Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.



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User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 2):

DL also had a few 738s dedicated to the shuttle routes

DL originally replaced the 727s with 738s, but the capacity was too large, and demand for the Shuttle dropped after 9/11, so they put the 733s on the route. Now they are replacing the 733s with MD88s.



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User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 5):
DL originally replaced the 727s with 738s, but the capacity was too large, and demand for the Shuttle dropped after 9/11, so they put the 733s on the route. Now they are replacing the 733s with MD88s.

So I take it demand for shuttle routes is starting to pick up again because:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
The MD-88s provided for additional capacity....



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User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 3):
Do they really use that rear exit (I'm assuming the MD-88 has stairs in the tail) for deplaning passengers?

Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.

Maybe in BOS and LGA, but not DCA. There they use the rear left door.


User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
So I take it demand for shuttle routes is starting to pick up again because

Correct



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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Actually I got off the Shuttle BOS-LGA the other day and they used the rear stairs. You walked right on to the tarmac and through a door that led right into the baggage claim. 15 seconds later you were at the cab stand in front of the Marine Air Terminal.

Very very very impressive an convenient.

PJ


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

I think the biggest reason fro the change was our wish to get rid of the 737-300G that we have been using on this route. The lease rates are high and the plane is a pain in the ass because of the differnent cockpit config. Sure the press release touted the increased capacity of the MD88 but I think it was more spin than anything. It would have look funny to say "We are switching to the MD88 because it is the smallest mainline jet that will be in our fleet after we retire the stuff we don't want."

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Always loved entering from the rear.

That sentence could be interpreted on so many different ways, particularly on these boards  Wink .

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 10):
think the biggest reason fro the change was our wish to get rid of the 737-300G that we have been using on this route.

I would agree with that, capacity was not the issue, just the fact that the 733s are going, and the 738s, their predecessors, are better used on transcon/international flights, not the short 200-mile hops.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Always loved entering from the rear.

ya, I was gonna mention that, espically after the threads I just read in non-av.

But to the topic at hand, I was booking bos-nyc and it gave me a CRJ on orbitz for more than one flight. Is that right? CJ's on the route?



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User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12):
But to the topic at hand, I was booking bos-nyc and it gave me a CRJ on orbitz for more than one flight. Is that right? CJ's on the route?

I know DL via Comair has some like 6 or 7 daily CRJs to JFK. And thats on top of the shuttle service every hour or so to LGA. I have noticed however, in recent trips to nyc, that the Comair flights where much cheaper by $150+ each way.

-Tony@PVD

edited to mention shuttle to lga, not jfk

[Edited 2006-01-24 21:04:47]


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
Plus the MD-88 has a rear exit to help in deplaning.

Uhh.. I dunno, I know we never use them for passengers. Only cabin service uses them. I highly doubt they'd use them at an airport with a jetway. But then again, maybe shuttle ops are different, huh? I know mainline DL doesn't do that.



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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

The shuttle used the rear stairs for the 727, so they could be using them on the MD88.

User currently offlineAlaskaMD80 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 64 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

While i was working for DL at JFK, it was procedure to put down the Rear stair's after the aircraft was parked. I never saw anyone use them though.


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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 7):
Maybe in BOS and LGA, but not DCA. There they use the rear left door.

Actually, they use the airstair to deplane at all stations. I'm a regular Shuttle customer; in fact I deplaned in DCA today from the rear stair.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 14):
Uhh.. I dunno, I know we never use them for passengers. Only cabin service uses them. I highly doubt they'd use them at an airport with a jetway. But then again, maybe shuttle ops are different, huh? I know mainline DL doesn't do that.

At the Shuttle, you can deplane from the forward door (jetway) and the rear air stair on the MD-88. It was the same when the 727 was on the Shuttle. When the 737 was on the Shuttle, they would roll up air stairs to the 2L door.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.

Double entendre aside, I don't believe they board from using the rear airstairs.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
So I take it demand for shuttle routes is starting to pick up again because:

I tell you what, the past 6 times I've flown on them in the last two weeks every flight has been packed full.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 2):
DL also had a few 738s dedicated to the shuttle routes:

I was sitting next to one of the Shuttle pilots (he was deadheading) and he was telling me at one point Boeing, when DL was initially looking at the -800, tried to engineer a rear air stair into the design for the Shuttle. They couldn't make it work though.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Yes, Shuttle operations are very different from the rest of Delta. The reason they continue to do well in that market is because they recognize it isn’t a typical domestic market. Provide premium service and people will pay for it.

You can’t also fail to recognize that the 737-800s are “over-qualified” to operate the Shuttle when it comes to their technical capabilities. They are much better suited to doing transcon runs than operating on a 250 mile segment. Tying up a dozen of such a capable airplane doesn’t make sense when there are so many other long-thin routes they could be doing – and considering the 757 is the only other DL narrowbody capable of flying transcon or near transcon routes.


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

On a side note, I flew on a DL Shuttle 738 from ATL-CVG back in 2002. It wasnt a scheduled DL Shuttle Flight but I guess it was an added flight for weekends and they had a spare DL Shuttle 738 for it. I found the DL Shuttle 738's to be a lot more comfortable than a regular mainline DL 738.

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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 19):
I found the DL Shuttle 738's to be a lot more comfortable than a regular mainline DL 738.

One of the perks of the Shuttle. All coach config, but with 36 inches of pitch, so a lot more legroom. On the Shuttle routes, they also serve free alchohol, and in the gates, I believe, is complimentary coffee and juice and choices of complimentary newspapers. They've even started using ex-Shuttle 800's on some Intl routes like ATL-SAL.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Since the Shuttle is not a big weekend product, there will always be extra Shuttle aircraft seen elsewhere on the weekend as long as DL has a dedicated and unique Shuttle aircraft as DL does. They also are in demand for charters because of the extra space.

The ex-Shuttle 738s are supposed to be reconfigured back to 2 class in the near future and some will be equipped w/ the inseat IFE like Song aircraft. That will be cool!


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):
One of the perks of the Shuttle. All coach config, but with 36 inches of pitch, so a lot more legroom. On the Shuttle routes, they also serve free alchohol, and in the gates, I believe, is complimentary coffee and juice and choices of complimentary newspapers. They've even started using ex-Shuttle 800's on some Intl routes like ATL-SAL.

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User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 922 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
You can’t also fail to recognize that the 737-800s are “over-qualified” to operate the Shuttle when it comes to their technical capabilities. They are much better suited to doing transcon runs than operating on a 250 mile segment. Tying up a dozen of such a capable airplane doesn’t make sense when there are so many other long-thin routes they could be doing – and considering the 757 is the only other DL narrowbody capable of flying transcon or near transcon routes.

Agreed, and this is the main reason they were withdrawn out, I suspect.

One thing to remember is that the 738 entered the market in response to US Airways' replacing their 727s with A320s. Both were due, as I recall, to higher noise standards. Working at DCA while the transition to MD-88s took place, we noted that the MD-88 does not meet the DCA noise restrictions, and a schedule change (or fines) would need to take place.

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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

The first 738 shuttle to mainline conversion should be just about done. They were installing seats on it last night.

25 Simairlinenet : When are the conversions expected to be complete? Will the Shuttle titles be covered over?
26 Dalmd88 : There are 17 ex shuttle 738 to be converted. It should take a couple of months to convert them all. I think the Shuttle title will be painted over.
27 Positiverate : How did they apply the titles to the MD-88's? Did they just add a decal? I noticed that, on Ship 9008 the Widget and Delta Shuttle "decal" is peeling
28 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Most likely. Unless one of the planes was in for heavy maintenance anyway, it wouldn't make sense to spend the money to repaint the entire plane. Alt
29 Post contains images Ptharris :
30 Post contains links Pensacolaguy : Seat Width/Pitch: Economy Class: 17 in/34-36 in (43 cm/86-91 cm) (According to DL's website)... http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...ypes_layout/md
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