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Possible New Routes From The UK?  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

What are the chances of the following outes from the UK happening?

ABZ-IAH Continental 767-200 (when the runway is lengthened at ABZ)
ABZ-HHN Ryanair 737-800

EDI-DXB Emirates A330-200
EDI-JFK Delta B767-300ER
EDI-MXP Alitalia EMB170/A319

GLA-DOH Qatar Airways A300/A332
GLA-BOM Air India/Jet Airways B777/A343
GLA-FRA Lufthansa RJ85
GLA-CDG Air France ERJ145

NCL-FRA Lufthansa RJ85/CRJ-700
NCL-EWR Continental B757-200
NCL-YYZ Zoom B767-300ER
NCL-ZRH Swiss ARJ85
NCL-NWI FlyBe Q400

MAN-BOM Air India B777
MAN-BAH Gulf Air B763
MAN-JNB SAA A342
MAN-CAI EgyptAir A332
MAN-MAD Iberia A320

BHX-DOH Qatar Airways A332
BHX-MAD Iberia A319
BHX-LIS Monarch A320

LGW-JFK Delta B767-300ER
LGW-IAD British Airways B777-200ER
LGW-HKG-AKL Air New Zealand B747-400
LGW-BCN Bmi Baby B737-300

LHR-PVG-AKL Air New Zealand B787/B777-200LR
LHR-NQY BMI ERJ145
LHR-Tromso SAS B735

NQY-TFS Monarch Scheduled A320
NQY-PMI Monarch Scheduled A320
NQY-Alicante Monarch Scheduled A320

Any other potential new routes from the UK?


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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8127 times:

Gatwick routes look nice.

Not sure about the others.

 wave 



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8096 times:

My 2 cents:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
EDI-DXB Emirates A330-200

doubtfull due proximity to GLA

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
ABZ-IAH Continental 767-200

Possible (Never say never, and this is true especially as both are Oil hibs)

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
MAN-BAH Gulf Air B763

Probably BHX before MAN and then to AUH iso BAH

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
BHX-DOH Qatar Airways A332

Maybe when they have available acft


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8077 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
Probably BHX before MAN and then to AUH iso BAH

I thought GF were pulling out of AUH?



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
ABZ-IAH Continental 767-200 (when the runway is lengthened at ABZ)

Actually, I'm more inclined to think, based on one or two well placed sources, that this will happen as a trial BBJ service. KL are making it work from AMS, and they have significant premium feed from ABZ.

7LBAC111



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
ABZ-HHN Ryanair 737-800

Hmm. Who knows? IF it ever exists, I can't imagine it being daily. I'd expect HHN-LPL and HHN-EMA, and possibly HHN-NCL, well before ABZ.



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User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8068 times:

Galley gossip at Big Airways (apparently from the chief horses mouth too):

-Non stop to EZE from LHR (currently via GRU)
-Return to SCL
-With the end of the MEL flights the SIN (which would be otherwise sat on the ground for several hours) will be shuttling to somewhere but he wouldn't say where (though KUL return rumored for ages)
-Several African routes are being finalised

hmmmm.......  Wink


User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8068 times:

LHR/LGW-CUN-MEX AM/MX 772/330

By mid 2006 it will be announced which carrier ( Aeromexico or Mexicana ) will begin service out of the UK into Mexico.

LHR is preferred by AM due to Skyteam connectivity at this airport. LGW might be taken by Mexicana if a sort of an alliance is reached with BMI.

Question... What´s BMI´s coverage of the rest of the UK and the whole of Europe out of LGW ?

A combination of city pairs could arise asflw:

LHR-CUN-MEX v v
LHR-MEX v v
LGW-CUN-MEX v v
LGW-CUN v v

Best regards



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8055 times:

FR STN-ENS when all plans for the civil use of the airport are executed  crossfingers 

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8044 times:

Quoting XA744 (Reply 7):
Question... What´s BMI´s coverage of the rest of the UK and the whole of Europe out of LGW ?

BMI baby have 2 Daily flights LGW-MME.
That's all  Wink



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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8030 times:

Quoting Englandair (Reply 6):
-Non stop to EZE from LHR (currently via GRU)

Really? I thought BA dropped that flight due to very low yields. I did that flight a few times and for non revs as myself was dream flight to do. Always packed in WT and empty in CB. Result: I Always flew in CB.

As for the others, ABZIAH is another possibility for CO but I guess this would be better operated with an all business class product on a 73G although pilot union issues may stop CO from doing so.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7213 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8012 times:

ABZ IAH is decades away - plenty of IAH destinations will appear before that one - MAN, GLA, DUB, BRU for example.


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
NQY-TFS Monarch Scheduled A320
NQY-PMI Monarch Scheduled A320
NQY-Alicante Monarch Scheduled A320

It seems the Monarch NQY-Malaga flights are stopping at the end of April. I don't know if this was due to a lack of success or the need for a plane elsewhere. If its due to it being unprofitable then if Malaga won't work none of the others will

Besides you forgot NQY-EWR with a CO 767  Wink



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 12):
Besides you forgot NQY-EWR with a CO 767 Wink

Yes, that flight will operate via Carlisle  Wink



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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7982 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 11):
ABZ IAH is decades away - plenty of IAH destinations will appear before that one - MAN, GLA, DUB, BRU for example.

I don't agree with you. Both CO and BA take loads of oil related passengers via LGW and KL via AMS.

What business would BA or CO take from MAN apart from ethnic low yield traffic?


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7982 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
I thought GF were pulling out of AUH?

I actually wouldnt be suprised given Etihads emergence as a worldclass airline..
But Im not sure what Gulf Traveller would do.

I spoke to a GF exec once at BHX.. I was milking all the info out of him I could whilst he was at in the business lounge.. he told me GF had eyes on BHX long before EK but with EK being so profitable, other routes came first.

Thus when GTraveller came along the issue of BHX flights was born again...
unfortunatley these seem to have died a death but hopefully we may see GT in BHX yet, maybe not to AUH but more than likely BAH.

Also I remember DL coming to BHX to review the facilities to start ATL flights, they were going to use the Golf Open at the Belfry to launch regular services.
First would come the showcase charter bringing spectators and golfers, then would come the regular revenue
Unfortunatley 9/11 came and went and flights didnt start.. I did expect to at lease see an ATL service with their new route announcements... but I was dissapointed, though I must say I can see the logic in Edinburgh.

Also Mahan is in at MAN soon... though thats old news I think

Jordan


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7971 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
MAN-BOM Air India B777

Or a 787? Was an A310 when the service ran in the past.

Can't see any of the other MAN flights starting. SAA has too many flights out of LHR.

MAN-MAD has BA and too many LCCs to Spain.

MAN-CAI was tourist A320. Too many other flights MAN to Egypt and MS T7 from LHR.



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7971 times:

I would expect to see the following in the next 3-4 years:

TG MAN - BKK
CA MAN - PEK
QF MAN - SYD
SA MAN - JNB/CPT

Can;t see GF returning anytime soon to MAN in light of EK, QR and EY all or going to be present there in the not too distant.

As for IB, well we'll see how BACON do on the MAN - MAD rote, though donlt forget not even Monarch Sched who are 'leading the low-cost revolution a Manchester' could make MAN - MAD work, despite offering interlining on to IB long-hauls.

Rumours abound at LS that they are to tap in to the German marker, so we may well see MAN and LBA to DUS/TXL/MUC or even HAM....

Look out also for possible moves from TAP, the North needs a scheduled ervice in to the Portuguese capital and TP may want a slice of the action...there are quite a lot of Brazilians up here who need cheap trips home, too!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 12):
It seems the Monarch NQY-Malaga flights are stopping at the end of April. I don't know if this was due to a lack of success or the need for a plane elsewhere. If its due to it being unprofitable then if Malaga won't work none of the others will

Yeah. It's odd: in our local paper they have adds regarding this service, which is kinda odd for a route that is to cease. Everything I've heard and read indicates that it will end. Any definite info?



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
BMI baby have 2 Daily flights LGW-MME.

There you go, it looks like LHR is the only choice for a Mexican carrier to begin service into the U.K. Problem is, the complicated and expensive issue of negotiating the adequate slots at this airport.

I see there is no point in negotiating anything with BMI if you are going to fly to a terminal with a dead end.

Regards



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7928 times:

How about a Mexican Airline fly into MAN and hook up with BMI who would give connections to many UK destinations and a few European one's also


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 17):
I would expect to see the following in the next 3-4 years:

TG MAN - BKK
CA MAN - PEK
QF MAN - SYD
SA MAN - JNB/CPT

I would expect to see Nationwide doing the JNB-MAN route first, IF they can get the clearance for it. SA may put a spanner in the works, without any real desire to operate it themselves however....



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User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 7892 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 10):
Really? I thought BA dropped that flight due to very low yields

Nope!  Smile British Airways still serve Buenos Aires currently 4 times per week, via Sao Paulo. The flight number is the BA0247/0247 and is operated by B747-400s.

Cheers!  Smile


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 11):
ABZ IAH is decades away - plenty of IAH destinations will appear before that one - MAN, GLA, DUB, BRU for example.

As a mainline route perhaps. But as a BBJ - perhaps not.



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
How about a Mexican Airline fly into MAN and hook up with BMI who would give connections to many UK destinations and a few European one's also

Well, would need to determine how much OD traffic could be generated between MAN-MEX v v or MAN-CUN-MEX v v. You see, BA´s loads out MEX into LHR are about 60% connections to other European destinations. I believe is pretty much the same thing for the LHR-MEX sector.

Frankly speaking, I don´t see a Manchester service from any Mexican city coming up in the near future. However, there is ample room for additional capacity between London and Mexico City, as BA operates only 4 x weekly with 744s in the summer time. The niche is there and a Mexican carrier should position itself in the UK market as soon as possible.

Regards



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25 BHXDTW : Any chance of UA/NW/AC expanding out of LON and into MAN/BHX/GLA/EDI ?? (I know AC fly to MAN) Jordan
26 ARGinLON : we were talking about the non-stop. I can't really see BA going back to EZE with a non-stop
27 Post contains links Oly720man : Just found this, considering MAN-PEK..... Case study for extending the PEK-Stockholm service to MAN with facts and figures and assumptions http://www.
28 Post contains links Oly720man : And if you want some more light reading...... http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...goryid=589&pagetype=90&pageid=5043 Which covers... Case Study 1:
29 BigOrange : I think we'll see ABZ-EWR before we see ABZ-IAH NCL-EWR is a good possibility I doubt DL will do EDI or LGW-JFK BA LGW-IAD no chance. They already hav
30 VSFLYER747400 : Think you'll see CO going for this more likely in 2007 now that AA dropped their NCL JFK plans.
31 Cornish : Don't be surprised to see FlyGlobespan GLA-NQY (I'm serious!) - at least for the summer season.
32 Oly720man : Yep. Must have been a good case for these services.
33 GayrugbyMAN : I don't see BA giving up MAN JFK at all soon, it serves them well with interlining pax, cargo and point-to-point traffic. It's nearly full everyday. A
34 Post contains links Delyan : How about BOJ-LGW-BOJ? http://www.air.bg/en/news&id=78
35 Humberside : I wuld expect LGW-BGO to move to LHR before that happens Abu Dhabi will no longer own any of Gulf Air, though AUH may be served as a destination from
36 ScottishLaddie : EDI-NQY is more likely, although not with Flyglobespan. Flybe already have slots, although at this rate it doesn't look like they are going to bother
37 Capital146 : LBA-Islamabad and LBA-Lahore would be the nearest thing to surefire moneymakers as you're ever likely to get. Once a carrier financially capable of su
38 Ucunnn : I am not sure about what you are saying. If you think about it Mexicana is clearly getting closer to One World (British Airways), so it could be MX o
39 Pe@rson : Hi D, Would LBA's runway be sufficient for such a long-haul operation (those two routes would probably be 7 1/2 hours max east-bound, but they're bou
40 Post contains images Gkirk : Pakistani and Bangladeshi I believe. A few Indians but they are mostly found around BHX (Or the plains of North America)
41 Post contains images Pe@rson : Thanks. What sort of heavy, widebody aircraft could it handle? It's main runway is2250m - 355m shorter than BHX's. So, put a very heavy 330 on the end
42 Post contains images Gkirk : 767s to somewhere suitable for a tech stop, like Munich or somewhere
43 BHXDTW : LBA-Islamabad and LBA-Lahore would be the nearest thing to surefire moneymakers as you're ever likely to get. I once suggested this to a fellow worker
44 Orion737 : Would love to see some domestic flights from DSA. There are none currently. I am very suprised that no one has introduced an EDI, BFS or LGW. All we h
45 Pe@rson : It's a damn shame about the need to stop enroute to refuel, unless you could combine it so that you stop in a place which has a good demand to LBA, in
46 BHXDTW : Anyon eknow if Alpha1 are planning more domestics ?? (How are they by the way ?? they still going / have the began ?) Im thinking DSA would be a great
47 Orion737 : Cant understand why ThomsonFly have not started DSA-EDI or DSA-LGW, they seem to be sticking to the traditional holiday airports but I do feel that a
48 Post contains images Gkirk : Not with NCL so close it couldn't CAX could probably support flights to London, Belfast and Dublin and that would be about it, as well as a summer ch
49 WhiteHatter : LBA has a lot going against it though. Geographically it isn't in the best of places, and surface access isn't brilliant. it's also in the catchment
50 FlyCaledonian : Well BA did increase EZE from 3x to 4x weekly at the expense of GIG. I thought suggestions of EZE going nonstop were more related to increasing capac
51 Orion737 : You say GKirk that Carlisle would not support flights to destinations like ALC or AGP due to its proximity to NCL but look at Blackpool, that is very
52 Gkirk : Carlisle has the problem of being close to NCL,MAN, PIK and GLA.
53 Orion737 : One could then say, following you example, that DSA is close to HUY, LBA, MAN and EMA! The fact is even smaller localities have demand for flights to
54 Hammerb32 : Can't see MAN - India at all, no local Indian community to support it in the MAN catchment area and no real hub of sorts to feed into. For MAN I'm gue
55 Damian : Well, that was the popular theory regarding the likelihood of CO serving EDI-EWR prior to summer 2004. In that instance CO demonstrated that there ar
56 Post contains images Gkirk : It's an either or Either 2 Daily GLA or 1 Daily GLA 1 Daily EDI
57 Oneworld1 : Have heard HoChi and also Hanoi as well. Wrt to EZE, the loads are light during the northern summer however the loads are better during southern shou
58 MainMAN : Not strictly true to say that there's 'no' local Indian community to support MAN - India services. There are possibly 50,000 in the North West and We
59 RJ100 : A MAN-BSL service would make sense. Operated in the morning and evening (Monday-Friday) plus a one daily service on Saturday and Sunday by one of the
60 GayrugbyMAN : BMI have slots for a new MAN BSL route this summer, though no official announcement yet.
61 Cornish : With the exception of LGW, the other two are ones that are being very actively courted by the airport.
62 Post contains images RJ100 : Good to hear GayrugbyMAN! What's the chance that they will start this route? Cheers, RJ100
63 Stargoldlhr : Personally I would like to see more LCY Expansion... LCY-WAW / KRK / PRG / BUD LCY-DUB / ABZ LCY - THF I'm surprised there's no LCY to Berlin at all !
64 VSFLYER747400 : Back in 1992 Conti-flug operated the route for 2 years until they went out of business.
65 Candid76 : Well, I live in Manchester and have family in Mumbai. Am I the only one? Plus there seems to be a total obsession with chasing low yield VFR traffic t
66 EGNR : This one has rumbled on for ages. In the February edition of Airliner World, there is a small piece called 'Thai Network Growth'... It says that Manc
67 Post contains images Capital146 : Then she needs to get that chip off her shoulder. It's a fact that there's a massive Pakistani community in West Yorkshire who currently use PIA's MA
68 Viscount630 : It might even be planned as a seasonal route for the winter? The owners and operators of Newquay's holiday industry (mostly idle in the winter months
69 Babybus : I'm really happy about this. I wrote to Air New Zealand a couple of times recently asking for them to consider an eastbound route. I really can't be
70 Horus : I can see MS re-instating their MAN flights in the near future, possibly by 2007. MS terminated MAN back in 2002 when they had a weekly CAI-MAN-CAI a
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