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SU Still Undecided On 787/A350  
User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/01/24/041.html

Boeing and Airbus are competing hard for Russian business and seem intent on doling out business to secure Russian aircraft orders. Of course they are going after things they need, like engineering services and raw materials.

Interestingly, Boeing is claiming one third of the 787 is designed in Russia. That seems like quite a bit for just the nose section, even though it is a complex piece.


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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3398 times:

First, it's Airbus. Then it's Boeing. Then it's Airbus again. Now they're undecided. I'm glad the ones in charge of purchasing the planes aren't going to be the ones flying it.

"Oh look, there's a cow on the runway."
"Should we go around?"
"Maybe we should."
"You think so?"
"Well, then it might be gone by the time we get there."
"Okay, so we'll continue approach."
"Yes. But then, perhaps we should play it safe."
"It would be worth the extra cost of a missed approach."
"See, you bring the cost up and I think we should just conti-"
CRASH!


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3350 times:

This whole SU order is a political nightmare. If SU order the 787, European politicians are gonna cry foul. And if they order the A350, America is gonna remind them of the help they've received over the years.

I certainly would not want to be a member of the committee as SU and Moscow who have to make the decision!



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3283 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 2):

I certainly would not want to be a member of the committee as SU and Moscow who have to make the decision!

They will decide how Putin tells them to decide. If they don't, they'll never work again.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
they'll never work again.

yes, they will, just not as airline execs and they will be transported to their new jobs in transportation which would make cattle class look sumptious and the cattle will be better treated than they will be!  Smile oops, I'm sorry, the USSR doesn't exist anymore!


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
They will decide how Putin tells them to decide. If they don't, they'll never work again.

Fair point!



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

I am sure they know exactly what they need and want and I do not belief the are buying ac's based on what the US or EU thinks they should get.

Cheers,


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

How about doing what china does....maybe they should get 5-10 of each..that takes care of all the "political" controversy...


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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting Swissy (Reply 6):
I am sure they know exactly what they need and want and I do not belief the are buying ac's based on what the US or EU thinks they should get.

Cheers,

Oh I'm sure they do know what they need. The trouble is Putin doesn't give two hoots. He'll tell them to order whatever plane gives him the best political position.



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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

...cows...cattle...have i stumbled into livestock.net?

User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Thread starter):

Interestingly, Boeing is claiming one third of the 787 is designed in Russia. That seems like quite a bit for just the nose section, even though it is a complex piece.

It is interesting that Boeing is planing to offer the AN-72 for a proposal to the USAF for a short haul air cargo aircraft. Why not the A400?

Wonder if there is any relationship?


User currently offlinePlaneDane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 2):
This whole SU order is a political nightmare. If SU order the 787, European politicians are gonna cry foul.

Yes, but didn't SU already go with Airbus for narrowbodies? That should take away some of the heat from the European politicians, I would think.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
First, it's Airbus. Then it's Boeing. Then it's Airbus again. Now they're undecided.

I suppose you lost your patience with AI after the MD-11?  Wink


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 10):
It is interesting that Boeing is planing to offer the AN-72 for a proposal to the USAF for a short haul air cargo aircraft. Why not the A400?

Maybe because A400 is twice the size of An-72 and USAF already has a C-17?? Big grin



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User currently offlineAirman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 975 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Ahh make it real easy!! Sink the money into the Russian Aerospace market!! Purchase the il-96M which is now the IL-96-400. Get the up rated PS-90A's or Go shopping around for new engines on her, IE Rolls Royce, or GE?? Too bad P&W walked away a few years back, as I think the IL-96M would have been a hell of a contender. Would be nice to see a few more of those birds in the skies!!  Smile

Airman99o



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User currently offlineTu114 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 10):
It is interesting that Boeing is planing to offer the AN-72 for a proposal to the USAF for a short haul air cargo aircraft.

How many times does someone have to point out that Antonov is not a Russian company?

Antonov is from Ukraine, which although once part of the USSR when that existed, is not part of Russia.

Therefore the decision about which plane SU will buy is incredibly unlikely to be influenced by the purchase or otherwise of transport planes from a neighbouring country.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting Tu114 (Reply 15):
Antonov is from Ukraine, which although once part of the USSR when that existed, is not part of Russia.

Antonov was the design bureau right? Where was the An-24 actually built?



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 13):
Maybe because A400 is twice the size of An-72 and USAF already has a C-17??

There's little relationship really between the C-17 and A400. The latter is a replacement for the C-130, a totally different machine than C-17.



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