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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Hello,

Could anyone tell me about the TWA's operations at JFK?
When did they built their terminals?
When they switched?
What international routes they served and with what aircraft?


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What's the terminal displayed on this photo please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus

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User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1386 times:
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The Terminal in the picture is Terminal 5, aka "The Butterfly Building" It was designed by Eero Saarinen (also designed Dulles), and I believe was opened in 1962 or '63. I think they made it a national landmark, or historical landmark, therefore it is protected from demolition.

Sammy


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

That is the Eero Saarinen building, designated
Terminal 5. It opened in 1963 or 64, maybe as
early as 1962. Not sure. It used to the the
International terminal of TWA. Domestic flights
operated from Terminal 6, next door, a boxy,
glass and concrete building that was vacated
by TWA a few years ago. Today, Terminal 6
serves UA's LAX and SFO flights, American
Trans Air, JetBlue, and America West.

Terminal 5 today is the TWA terminal, it is
also home to Royal Air Maroc, Royal
Jordanian, and Kuwait Airways at JFK. TWA
currently operates 36 daily nonstop flights
out of JFK to Milan, Paris, Lisbon, Cairo,
Tel Aviv (one stop via Cairo to Riyadh),
as well as to LAX, SFO, Seattle, Miami,
New Orleans, San Juan, the Dominican
Republic, and some other domestic US
destinations. Terminal 5 used to be the
airlines Atlantic hub, servicing 747's,
L1011's, and 767-200ER's to Europe
and the Middle East.

Given TWA's financial difficulties, the
Terminal has been neglected for some
time and is in a poor state. It was
designated a landmark years ago.
It was not, however, designed to
accomodate big jets and has had
some modifications to it in the 70's
to handle TWA's 747-100's.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Agree with Continental EWR except the terminal is hardly in poor state. I fly thru it at least 1x weekly and it is beautifully refurbished. Certain people are biased as I am sure CO EWR is to EWR!

The terminal is a throwback to a nicer, better period of Air Travel and certainly nicer to many of the current operations out there


User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
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Yes, its a beautiful terminal. While not in a poor state, things do look "old" inside. TWA wanted to renovate, but due to the landmark status, and lack of funds, this was put off. I'm glad its here to stay  

Sammy


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Hello,

When did TWA give the up the lease of the Terminal 6?
Why did they chose to keep the T6 instead of the T5 ? Higher fees?

As we are talking about TWA: i would be loking for a complete history of the airline, with their fleet and the routes they operated (when did they opened/discontinued each route, what aircraft they flew on them, the frequences, ...)

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus



User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1316 times:
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Alain, have you checked TWA's website, I am sure you did...

http://www.twa.com/about_twa/at_history.html

It pretty much lists all the "good" things in TWA's long history, but its a good start.

I'll look for more as I am interested also.

Sammy


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1311 times:

TWA consolidated all of its JFK operations at
Terminal 5, which is far more grandiose and
evocative of TWA's history and prestige than
Terminal 6. It also has more jetways than
Terminal 6 and probably has more space as
well.

It is a well known fact in New York, that
Terminal 5 needed some work to keep it
from deteriorating further as very little
money was spent on its upkeep during
the last decade. It is very possible
that the Port Authority or the NYC
Landmarks Preservation bureau has
contributed funds for maintenance.

Acvitale, that's not bias. That's a
fact but to make you happy, I will
say that Continental's Newark
terminal, while unique for a NYC
airport, isn't wonderful at all. In
fact, it's crammed and often
hard to get through.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1305 times:


I flew to Terminal 4 on TWA last month, and I am flying to Terminal 4 again on Tuesday, on TWA from St. Louis.

Continental


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1302 times:


I flew to Terminal 4 on TWA last month, and I am flying to Terminal 4 again on Tuesday, on TWA from St. Louis.

Continental


User currently offlineTWAneedsHELP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

AC, I agree with you on almost everything, but I have to disagree with youon the state of JFK's Terminal 5. The terminal really has teh potential to be a sophisticated, remarkable building and point of entry to NY. Unfortunately in its present form, it is far from it. The terminal is in a DESPARATE need of renovation/refurbishment. The white floor tiles, while very classy and elegant need a cleaning and touch up. Every computer in the place is early 1980s vintage. The check in counters are old, unexciting, and cramped. The food and beverage operations upstairs to the right are boring, unexciting, and tasteless. Definately not in line with Saarinen's ideas for the place. The Ambasador's Club upstairs to the left is also old and could be given new classy furnishings.

The two "out terminals" (for lack of a better word) are not of Saarinen's design, are not landmarked and are old, inefficient, and quite frankly ugly. I would liek to see both of the raized with the "turtle shell" lobby entranced kept. In the "out terminals" place would/could be 2 new modern, efficiently designed concourses with all the amenities of contemporary airports ie branded food choices, business centers, and convenience retail. It should be in the style of the retro 1950s look Saarinen envisioned. In fact the entire terminal is a masterpiece waiting to be unlocked. I imagine a compete retro renovation restoring it to its old glory complete with appropriate architechture. Even TWA ground staff could wear the old TWA uniforms (Al you must know this) displayed beside the Amabasador's Club entrance.

I'm sorry I'm not much of an architechtural critic, but hopefully you had some idea of what I was imagining. I've been through the place so often, I really love it.

TW flies to these destinations from T5

MSY 1x daily m80 and an additional 6x weekly MSY-JFK
MCO 3x daily m80 and an additional 4x weekly JFK-MCO and additional 3x weekly
MCO-JFK
PBI 1x daily m80
FLL 1x daily m80
MIA 3x daily m80
TPA 1x daily m80
SJU 6x daily 757/767
STL 4x daily m80/767/757 and an additional 3x weekly STL-JFK
SFO 2x daily 757
LAX 4x daily JFK-LAX and an additional 5x weekly LAX-JFK 767/757
CUN 4x weekly m80
SDQ 2x daily 767/m80
POP (Puerto Plata, D.R.) 1x daily 757/767
PUJ (Punta Cana, D.R.) 2x weekly m80
PLS (Provienciales, Turks and Caicos) 1x weekly m80
SXM (St. Maarten, Netherlands Antilles) seasonal
CDG 1x daily 767
TLV 1x daily 767
MXP 1x daily 767
CAI (with continuuing service to RUH) 6x weekly 767
LIS 1x daily 767

In addition TW flies to these destinations from EWR

STL 6x daily m80
CUN 3x weekly m80
BQN (Aguadilla, Puerto Rico) 1x daily m80
PUJ 2x weekly m80

From LGA:

STL 5x weekly plus 2 additional LGA-STL 6x weekly and 1 additional STL-LGA 6
weekly m80/757
PBI 2x daily m80
FPO (Freeport, Bahamas) 4x weekly m80


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

The ambassadors club was completely refurbed less then 3 years ago. It is quite nice inside.

I enjoy the terminal but, agree with the poor food choices. The terminal could use some upscale restaurants the current offerings are hardly worth mentioning.


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