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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Anyone know where to view a copy of the BDA2 agreement? I need to know which cities are allowable US gateways and related information...

Thanks!

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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

You could obtain a full copy from The Stationary Office http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk

It might even be accessible on their site but I have only been able to find extracts. However here is a link that will give you a synopsis



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

...thanks BCAL - the second link was very helpful for what I was looking for. My last question is how all this applies to BDA and the US gateways specifically. Does anyone know more about that?

Can places like BDL, ORF, or PVD have nonstop service to BDA or not???


User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Yes all those places can have nonstop service to Bermuda. Back in the day Delta used to go BDA-BDL. And I few years ago Spirit had plans to do PVD-BDA but that never materialized...


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

..OK so the gateway issue in the Bermuda 2 agreement doesn't limit BDA service from the US then?

User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Bermuda 2 agreement has nothing to do with Bermuda - except the fact that it was signed at a meeting there...!

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

OK great, I wasn;t sure since BDA is classified as a "dependent territory" of the UK - which specified some limits to territories with that designation.

User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 5):
Bermuda 2 agreement has nothing to do with Bermuda

Not quite. Both Bermuda 1 and Bermuda 2 govern air services between the US (and its territories) and the UK (and its territories). It is my understanding that the US and the UK authorities have waived any gateway limitiations written into BII, except the UK has not waived the restrictions for Heathrow. So if BA wanted to fly STN to GUM they could, or if UA wanted to fly ANC BDA that would be OK too.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

There are limits in what US cities can have Bermuda service. However, the treaty is very flexible, and, in reality, any airline that applies for a US-Bermuda exemption will most likely get it.


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Great, thanks again folks - I knew you guys had the info...

So in my case, NK (for instaince) could just as easily apply to do PVD-BDA and it would just need to get US & UK approval then.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 7):
or if UA wanted to fly ANC BDA that would be OK too.

...though if you wanted to be technical about it, UA could fly ANC-LHR if they wanted to as well, considering that the Alaskan port is among the twelve permanent Heathrow gateways as per Bermuda II  Wink


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
...though if you wanted to be technical about it, UA could fly ANC-LHR if they wanted to as well, considering that the Alaskan port is among the twelve permanent Heathrow gateways as per Bermuda II

...and is the only one (i believe) that is currently not served!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
...and is the only one (i believe) that is currently not served!

Not true-- the other would be MSP

Its distinction (the opposite of LAS) is that it can only be served by non-British carriers.


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