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Bermuda 2 Agreement

PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Anyone know where to view a copy of the BDA2 agreement? I need to know which cities are allowable US gateways and related information...

Thanks!

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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

You could obtain a full copy from The Stationary Office http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk

It might even be accessible on their site but I have only been able to find extracts. However here is a link that will give you a synopsis

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PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

...thanks BCAL - the second link was very helpful for what I was looking for. My last question is how all this applies to BDA and the US gateways specifically. Does anyone know more about that?

Can places like BDL, ORF, or PVD have nonstop service to BDA or not???

TXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Yes all those places can have nonstop service to Bermuda. Back in the day Delta used to go BDA-BDL. And I few years ago Spirit had plans to do PVD-BDA but that never materialized...

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PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

..OK so the gateway issue in the Bermuda 2 agreement doesn't limit BDA service from the US then?

AceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Bermuda 2 agreement has nothing to do with Bermuda - except the fact that it was signed at a meeting there...!

PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

OK great, I wasn;t sure since BDA is classified as a "dependent territory" of the UK - which specified some limits to territories with that designation.

ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 5):
Bermuda 2 agreement has nothing to do with Bermuda

Not quite. Both Bermuda 1 and Bermuda 2 govern air services between the US (and its territories) and the UK (and its territories). It is my understanding that the US and the UK authorities have waived any gateway limitiations written into BII, except the UK has not waived the restrictions for Heathrow. So if BA wanted to fly STN to GUM they could, or if UA wanted to fly ANC BDA that would be OK too.

MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

There are limits in what US cities can have Bermuda service. However, the treaty is very flexible, and, in reality, any airline that applies for a US-Bermuda exemption will most likely get it.

PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Great, thanks again folks - I knew you guys had the info...

So in my case, NK (for instaince) could just as easily apply to do PVD-BDA and it would just need to get US & UK approval then.

ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 7):
or if UA wanted to fly ANC BDA that would be OK too.

...though if you wanted to be technical about it, UA could fly ANC-LHR if they wanted to as well, considering that the Alaskan port is among the twelve permanent Heathrow gateways as per Bermuda II Wink

PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
...though if you wanted to be technical about it, UA could fly ANC-LHR if they wanted to as well, considering that the Alaskan port is among the twelve permanent Heathrow gateways as per Bermuda II

...and is the only one (i believe) that is currently not served!

ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
...and is the only one (i believe) that is currently not served!

Not true-- the other would be MSP

Its distinction (the opposite of LAS) is that it can only be served by non-British carriers.

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