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Cargolux Landing Gear Collapse (pics)  
User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23051 times:

And they forgot to put in the gearpin again...

See what's the result on: www.campus-site.nl/weblog
Cheers,
Schreiner


Soaring the internet...
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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22997 times:

http://www.campus-site.nl/cargolux/
Any Link in English.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22617 times:

I'm happy nobody was standing underneath the plane!!

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22608 times:

where did this happen ??


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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22485 times:

It says PVG on the site...

Aircraft involved is LX-TCV

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CV have a statement on their website:
http://www.cargolux.com/press/detail...php?id_cat=2&id_doc=101&dbtab=docs

[Edited 2006-01-25 19:20:58]


bla
User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22301 times:

I know this is a dumb question but why is there a tailstand under the tail?

User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22276 times:

That WAS in use I guess... Ive hoped that they have learned something from our China Airlines (?) friends and put the tailstand away before puchting it back up.  Smile


Soaring the internet...
User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22112 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 2):
I'm happy nobody was standing underneath the plane!!

My same thoughts exactly when I say the pics!!!


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22074 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 4):
CV have a statement on their website:
http://www.cargolux.com/press/detail...=docs

Now the question that somebody at CargoLux or Boeing will have to work out is why did the nose landing gear retract.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21554 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 5):
I know this is a dumb question but why is there a tailstand under the tail?

The tailstand is necessary to prevent the aircraft from getting out of balance when it is being loaded. If it's not used then you see what can happen with the aircraft. That the aircraft actually goes through its nose gear is new to me. You usually see the aircraft flipping on its tail which is not the case here. Unusual but it does happen as can be seen on the photos.

Thanks for sharing the photos Schreiner! Hopefully we'll see each other in April/May! I'm very much looking forward to it! Big grin

A388


User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21543 times:

Most likely, the gear handle was moved from the down position, and hydraulics were pressurized. NOT GOOD. But naturally maintenance will get called on it.
William


User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21075 times:

Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 10):
Most likely, the gear handle was moved from the down position, and hydraulics were pressurized.

Is there no override system for that on the 747? You'd think the minor cost of developing a simple switch would save all the trouble of a gear up situation?


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20959 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 11):
Is there no override system for that on the 747? You'd think the minor cost of developing a simple switch would save all the trouble of a gear up situation?

Yeah that is crazy that a 744 wouldn't have one when even little arrows have squat switches.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18880 times:

Quoting Schreiner (Thread starter):
Cargolux Collapse

I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.  embarrassed 


User currently offlineJosh12815 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18730 times:

Yet another nice bird awaiting repairs.......

User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18690 times:

Great photos, thanks for sharing!

Does anyone know if there's like a video online of a gear collapse actually taking place? It's hard kind of getting the actual event going in my head..

Thx, UA.


User currently offlineLu From China, joined Aug 1999, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18611 times:

http://bbs.feeeco.com/upload/20060125/200601250416505328.jpg

User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18364 times:
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Andrew



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User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18282 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.

That was the first thought that went through my head when I read the title.

3DD


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5673 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18070 times:

My thoughts exactly, I was waiting for the fleet of Cargolu planes in tidy rows in Luxembourg


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User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17888 times:

Then I thought we just had a CargoLux 744 sitting on the tarmac at PAE awhile back. I hope they didn't fold.

3DD


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17695 times:
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.

no , me too , after all that's what the thread title says "CargoLux Collapse" not "CargoLux gear collapse" - I thought "Boeing wont be happy that one of the 747-8 launch customers has gone out of business" - though I was very surprised because I was under the impression that they are a well run and profitable company and there had been no rumours of an impending collapse .
One of those cases where the person posting knew what they meant - they just didn't express it very well .



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17490 times:

Quoting Schreiner (Thread starter):
And they forgot to put in the gearpin again...

Can you explain? Thanks.

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 11):
Is there no override system for that on the 747? You'd think the minor cost of developing a simple switch would save all the trouble of a gear up situation?

Knowing that other airliners have mechanisms that lock the gear lever when on the ground, I'd expect the huge 744 to have something like that too.



rolf
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17403 times:

You would think that once a landing-gear has been extracted it would be stable enough to keep the plane on the tarmac...
Never heard that you still need to look a nose-gear externally in order to prevent it from folding ...



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25 Post contains links and images Kereru : And this one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jeffwell
26 PhilSquares : What actually happened was maintenance was trouble shooting a gear problem. The gear pins were supposedly installed and the gear lever was recycled.
27 Post contains links and images MD-90 : Even planes like the Constellation had overcenter locks for the nosegear. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jean-Pierre Bonin
28 CCA : The 747 nose gear down-lock is an over-centre type and there is a LOCK OVRD button next to the gear lever (744). It is a two handed operation, to prev
29 NORTHSEATIGER : What are you testing by cycling the gear switch on the ground ? Regards NST
30 Fr8mech : Leak check, indication logic, switching in the handle.
31 Post contains images 757dc10fltmech : Boeing's AOG response team.
32 HAWK21M : Leak in upline to the Gear after installing the Gear Lock pins. regds MEL
33 Post contains images Andz : me too, was just curious what the (pics) referred to... the tearful press conference?
34 Post contains images CdfMxTech : Thats funny!
35 NA : Why are nosegear failures more common on 747s than on other aircraft? It happens about once a year that a 747 falls onto its nose. I´ve never seen it
36 LTBEWR : OOPS! While one can criticize the design of the nose gear and it's lock out set up, clearly this was human error. Humans are imperfect and sometimes t
37 Trex8 : "crappy" is relative, by Chinese standards those guys are probably doing quite well!
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