Modesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2835 posts, RR: 5 Posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
I've seen pictures of Delta MD-11s at Hong Kong's Kai Tak Airport. Has Delta ever had scheduled service into this airport or was this a special occasion? If so, when did the service start and when was it discontinued?Thanks.
Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2196 times:
DL flew from LAX to HKG. The service was stopped in the mid-1990s - at the same time they discontinued some of their other Asian services like PDX - TPE - BKK. The flight was scheduled (either daily or six times a week) and operated with MD-11s.
Airbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2167 times:
With an uncle working in the current Check Lap Kok control tower and previously Kai Tak airport, i just asked him and Delta never had a regular service to hong kong.
They were either chartered flights or justy stop-overs.
Just to clear things up.
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Ryaneverest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2157 times:
Delta *did* have scheduled service to Hong Kong but pulled out within months. Nickofatlanta was right. They utilised MD-11 which was pushing the limits of range of the type (direct from LAX). Competitors use higher-capacity and longer-range aircraft... but can anybody tell why does this matter with passenger load? Yes, they make less money with MD-11 than 747... puzzled...
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
Indeed I can vouch that Delta did indeed serve Hong Kong, Bangkok AND Taipei...
Service to Hong Kong was inaugurated in 1993 and was withdrawn, as Ryaneverest states, in 1994.
There were a number of reasons, but one was the thing about the MD-11s shortfalls in range. (At that time, Delta's MD-11s did not have the extra long-range tanks that they have now for the Atlanta-Tokyo route.)
DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
What Operations? Delta is not one that is strong in Asia, or for that matter the western US either. With the Atlantic & Eastern Seaboard System running near capacity and money being made the West & Pacific will be the next mission. DL has asked for JFK-Asia Service along with CVG-Asia Service and a few other minor things. The routes (if they get them) will be operated first with MD-11s, then 777s a few months after. This would also interpret a new 777 order.
DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2055 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Delta stopped flying from LAX to HKG at the end of November,1995. I flew on flights 88/89 twice. Ships 804 and 806 were used to fly to HKG while ships 805 and 807 flew from LAX/PDX to TPE/BKK. All four of these airplanes had the two Aux tanks in the forward cargo compartment and improved "stage 3" PW4460 engines which were paid for by McDonnell Douglas to make up for the airplanes' range shortcomings. In the winter months, flight times were close to 18 hours westbound and had to stop fo fuel at TPE. I believe that 747-400's also had to make westbound fuel stops as well. Even though this flight left full every day, Delta could not make the yields that they wanted, and along with the added costs of stopping for fuel, having two complete flight crews on board and a crew rest that took up 20+ pax seats, they decided to cancel it. Don't forget that this occured during the Leadership 7.5 cost cutting program. I don't know when this flight was started (I think 88/89), but I have a Sep. 1991 schedule that shows a L1011-500 on flights 57/58 from LAX->ANC->HKG.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Delta has served the following routes to Asia:
Portland, OR (PDX) - Fukuoka, Japan (cancelled within months) daily with MD-11
PDX - Taipei, Taiwan - Bangkok, Thailand - not sure of frequency - believe it was with MD-11
LAX (- Anchorage) - Hong Kong - daily - cancelled - originally operated with an L1011-500 via Anchorage then an MD-11
PDX - Seoul, South Korea - daily with an MD-11 - cancelled
USA gateway (originally Cincinnati then JFK) - Frankfurt, Germany - New Delhi, India - 3 times a week with an L1011-500 then a 763. Cancelled in favor of making Mumbai, India service daily.
Delta still serves:
PDX - Nagoya, Japan - daily with MD-11
PDX - Tokyo-Narita, Japan - daily with MD-11
Los Angeles - Tokyo-Narita, Japan - daily with MD-11
Atlanta - Tokyo-Nartia, Japan - daily with MD-11
JFK - Frankfurt, Germany - Mumbai, India - daily with a 763
and the following code-shares:
LAX - Guangzhou, China - operated by China Southern - three times a week with 777.
Delta has never used rights to:
Honolulu - Tokyo-Narita, Japan
PDX - Osaka, Japan
Ezra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2074 times:
How wise is Delta's strategy of concentrating its Asia flights at PDX? Would they be more successful to Asia if they flew from LAX or SEA? Or SLC even, thus folding the "Asia focus city" into an already established hub? PDX can't generate all that much of an o/d market, and anyone not in Oregon but west of SLC would probably fly to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, or Vancouver to fly to Asia anyway. By basing their Asia flights in another city, could Delta grow that market and become more successful in it?
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2088 times:
Whew, what a busy week for me! Finally have time to post here.
Delta in the early 90's planned to operate an Asian hub at Taipei, Taiwan but dropped it in favor of pursuing the FRA hub instead.
Does anyone have information to add to that? And, what routes were planned from TPE? Geographicaly speaking TPE is within 4 hours by air from most of the major cities in East Asia and would have been interesting to have seen a hub operation there.
I believe several reasons for dropping it were the lack of gate space at Taipei to do such an operation, along with some resistance by the officals there to allow Delta to do that. If Delta were to return to TPE they would find a much larger facility now with the opening of the new terminal south of the original building along with a new runway that will be built west and parallel to 23R/5L.
AirNondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
I believe Delta discontinued their select asia routes of the 90's due to internal company shifts, refocus, and general saturation of the market. As for their PDX to TPE, Seoul, etc routes they had Load Factors equal to those of other airlines asia routes out of SEA, LAX, and had potential to become very successful if Dl would have really completed their mission to make PDX their Asian hub (possibly getting asian codeshares from all the Alaska/Horizon flights feeding into PDX).
We'll see if they reattempt this plan, I think it could prove well.