N801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
I was called by a major airline in December about my Christmas/New Years flight booking. They wanted to know if I would change my itinerary to lessen the number of overbookings on one segment. The agent offered 12,000 FF miles or a US $300 voucher that would be mailed to me within three weeks of that Jan. 2 flight. I figured for a $300 credit I could lose an evening of my vacation.
Three weeks later, nothing in the mail or available via the website. I e-mailed and got a unsatisfactory response, they said I had voluntarily changed my flights. I then called Customer Assistance today. The original rebooking agent never documented the compensation offer in the PNR so a $175 ECV for my "inconvenience" is the best they can do now. I assume I would not have even got that offer had I not remained calm.
What can, or should, I do? Take the $175 and consider it a lesson learned or try and fight on? I know to ask for a paper trail in the future.
N801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1899 times:
They do have the agent # in the file but, even I conceded that it would be unlikely that the person would remember a specific call with one customer nearly two months ago. They did say they were calling half the pax.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3777 posts, RR: 30 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1899 times:
Yet another example of a legacy* doing what they do best: overpromising and underdelivering.
If you are not a member of one of the "elite" castes of the airline concerned, you will most likely be wasting your time by pursuing the matter further. For sure, if I were you, I would avoid the airline by whom you were stiffed unless they offer a schedule and fare that is too good to pass up, that no other airline comes close to matching.
*seems reasonable to assume it's a legacy of which you speak since their FF games are based on miles
Byronsterk From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
Well if you made an agreement over the phone, i think that it is in fact 'legal' what the agent is doing (at least that's the Dutch system) but i agree that it's not really appropriate.. i'dd just keep on banging until you get your 300,-
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DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1868 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3): Yet another example of a legacy* doing what they do best: overpromising and underdelivering.
In this particular instance, yes. I'm sure this practice is not policy nor do I believe this situation was intentional. Probably just an oversight by a busy agent. The thing is, I like this idea. I think it's very proactive on the airline's part, that is, if everything worked out like it was explained to you.
N801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1725 times:
Yeah, I just talked to them again. Apparently their notes say, "No compensation offered." Bullshit. And it was an "off-load", which they dont compensate for. The woman was firm. Would budge, couldn't "speculate."
Oh well, I'm pretty sure I know their CEO's e-mail address but I would hope that is the nuclear option.
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 4): Doesn't the carrier in question record their calls for quality/training purposes
Almost all of them say that inbound calls may be recorded for quality assurance or training purposes.
I don't know of many call centers (save for Public Safety Answering Points -- aka 911 centers -- and not even all of those) that record every call, let alone every outbound call -- and those who do probably have retention times measured in weeks unless a call is "flagged" by the agent or supervisor.
Since you weren't getting anywhere with the agent you were speaking with there's always the "[Sir/Ma'am], I appreciate your assistance, but may I speak with [your/a] supervisor?" line-- or, and I didn't notice in your original post, if you were calling reservations, you could call the airline's customer service line (for example, in CO's case reservations is 1-800-52?-FARE, but customer care is 1-800-WE-CARE-2)
You know that you can always record the calls yourself... Especially if you're in a single-party consent state (and if you're in a two-party consent state as long as you tell them). Any time I have to call customer service, I've started doing that [If they don't play the "For quality assurance..." message, I have one of my own that I can trigger ]
Quoting N801NW (Reply 9): Oh well, I'm pretty sure I know their CEO's e-mail address but I would hope that is the nuclear option
If you're really dissatisfied about it, a better bet (unless you're sure that the email address is actually read by the CEO instead of the "CEO's office") is to write a -real- letter, one page or less, typed, and mailed to the CEO. Any company (not just airlines) tends to take letters more seriously [some say because they require more effort], and even more seriously those addressed to the CEO.
[Edited 2006-01-26 02:16:20]
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FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
Having been voluntarily bumped a few times in my lifetime (all by AA) at the airport, I would say that the lesson learned here is to go ahead and show up at the airport anyway, and bring a carry-on with a change of clothes or two. I wouldn't be surprised if the people on the day of the flight actually got more compensation than you were offered, and that was delivered instantly to them, along with a hotel, meals, etc.
If your story is true, this is a real scam that cannot be proven unless you were so concerned that you decided to record the call, something that you wouldn't think of if you are being offered all these goodies as compensation. We tend to trust people. I wonder how many people there are like you. The agent did not make a "mistake" for he/she had a list of people to call and all were offered the same compensation and all were being processed the same day. This is just crap, if true.
N801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1518 times:
The flights involved were on January 3rd. I have no idea if the original 9PM flight was still overbooked at boarding time. The agent said they were calling half the people on the one I was originally booked on. However, they did not say if they were calling them all by themself. If they did, there will be at a number of unhappy people.