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AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07  
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15190 times:

Taking advantage of the fifth freedoms under the new Canada-US bilateral

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2006/25/c0761.html

135 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

It'll be nice to see all those SYD bound passengers having to go thru U.S. Inmigration and Customs @ YYZ in order to board that plane, just because it's stops in LAX.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

And let's see how UA will react to this? Maybe they won't at all since they will be able to sell it as a UA codeshare flight as well.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15135 times:

It is still better than flying YYZ-YVR-HNL-SYD. Until AC had adequate aircraft to operate YVR-SYD nonstop, a stopover in the United States is more than likely. What are the alternatives? Stopping in Mexico...Latin America? Or maybe Canada should go out on a blitz and take a few Pacific Islands. Are there any islands near Hawaii up for grabs?  Smile

Canadians and Australians don't have too many issues transiting in the United States since they don't have the strcit visa requirements that some citizens have to endure even to transit through the United States.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15059 times:

Will this result in the suspension of the YVR-SYD route AC currently flies?


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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15007 times:

So what exactly is Air Canada getting out of this. Does this mean they will now have 2 flights to Sydney from Canada? Will they have a flight that goes through Hawaii and a flight that goes through Los Angeles? Why not have one going to MEL or BRI and one to SYD?

I can see QF creating huge problems for them from LAX as this is their territory and they will defend it at all costs.


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14991 times:

Perhaps that will be the nail in the coffin in allowing SQ to have coveted LAX-SYD-LAX traffic rights.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14981 times:

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 5):
So what exactly is Air Canada getting out of this.

Their first foreign hub.

"The Toronto-originating flights would be timed to offer convenient connection possibilities in Los Angeles to and from Montreal, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver, as well as to and from points throughout the United States via Los Angeles on flights operated by Air Canada's Star Alliance partners, United Airlines and US Airways."



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14950 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Their first foreign hub.

Thankyou AeroWesty now it makes more sense.......I should read more!


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14905 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
connection possibilities in Los Angeles to and from Montreal, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver, as well as to and from points throughout the United States via Los Angeles on flights operated by Air Canada's Star Alliance partners, United Airlines and US Airways.

I doubt that AC will get a lot of passengers connecting from United in LAX. United already operates LAX-SYD. I am presuming that UA and AC will codeshare on both flights (is that allowed in the bilateral?). This will just give more options. I am really looking forward to the new 777s for Air Canada. What type of 777 would operate this route?



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14861 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
It is still better than flying YYZ-YVR-HNL-SYD. Until AC had adequate aircraft to operate YVR-SYD nonstop, a stopover in the United States is more than likely. What are the alternatives? Stopping in Mexico...Latin America? Or maybe Canada should go out on a blitz and take a few Pacific Islands. Are there any islands near Hawaii up for grabs?

Does any of AC aircrafts has the range for a YVR - NAN/NOU/AKL, YVR - PPT or YYZ-PPT?

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
Canadians and Australians don't have too many issues transiting in the United States since they don't have the strcit visa requirements that some citizens have to endure even to transit through the United States.

I've witness how "stereotyped australians" reacted on having to transit the U.S.A. for their YVR-HNL-SYD flight. Australian and Candians not having too many issues? How about a poll?



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14802 times:

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 5):
So what exactly is Air Canada getting out of this. Does this mean they will now have 2 flights to Sydney from Canada? Will they have a flight that goes through Hawaii and a flight that goes through Los Angeles? Why not have one going to MEL or BRI and one to SYD?

AC already have 2 daily flights SYD/HNL/YVR less than 2 hours apart in peak season. CRAZY !!!
(AC46 does not operate WED)

** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** YVR VANCOUVER.CABC 26JAN06 02FEB06
1 AC 034 D SYD 1 YVR M 0930 0725 1 26JAN06 02FEB06 763 16:55
2 AC 046 X3 SYD 1 YVR M 1115 0910 1 26JAN06 02FEB06 763 16:55

What is this fascination with SYD. SYD is overserviced already with QF & UA flights to LAX-SFO.

I can see QF creating huge problems for them from LAX as this is their territory and they will defend it at all costs.

What will QF do? They're screwing every last cent out of Australians on these routes. Can't see them dropping their fares. Or maybe they do the old ... drop the fares & increase the full surcharge the same amount.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
e witness how "stereotyped australians" reacted on having to transit the U.S.A. for their YVR-HNL-SYD flight. Australian and Candians not having too many issues? How about a poll?

It's totally stupid that the yanks no longer allow Australians/Canadians to transit HNL as prior to SEP11.

Bin Laden's crew aren't going to fly into the U.S. on a commercial flight. They'll come in via learjet full of cocaine !!!

Yanks should stop trying to be WORLD POLICE. they do a really bad job of it & just annoy more of the world, which got the U.S. into trouble in the 1st place.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14697 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
I've witness how "stereotyped australians" reacted on having to transit the U.S.A. for their YVR-HNL-SYD flight. Australian and Candians not having too many issues? How about a poll?

I was referring to the fact that Canadians don't need visas to enter the United States. Compare that to a Brazilian or Latin American who would need to fill out an entire visa application and get it approved in order to transit via an American city.

Yes it is a hassle, but it is no where near as much of a hassle as for citizens of other countries. I was not stereotyping. I would hate transiting in the US too. But the United States feels a need to scan every person that sets foot in the country regardless of how long they are staying or if they are in a transit zone and not officially entering the country.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14620 times:

This is going to be awesome and very interesting to see how well AC perform the flight. UA and US and NZ will be able to codeshare on AC's flight from YYZ to LAX to SYD. I believe they will be using 777-200LR because their first 777s in early spring of March will be 777-300ERS. So they mention first half of 2007 would most likely be 200LR.

User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14594 times:

Bring them on !!

I would assume it would be the LR as well.

What will happen to the YVR flight ?? Continue as is with a 763 (787) via HNL, be upgraded to a 777, or dropped to feed into the LAX flight ??

I would assume it will continue as is, maybe go to non stop with a 777, at least during the peak season.

RL


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14566 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 13):
I believe they will be using 777-200LR because their first 777s in early spring of March will be 777-300ERS. So they mention first half of 2007 would most likely be 200LR.

It would make sense for AC to use its LRs on this route. As far as I know the 3 ERs will be flying YYZ- FRA, LHR and NRT (Please correct me if Im wrong). I would assume that AC will basically use the 3ERs as it did its old B744 combies.

AC first 3 B777 will be -300ERs, 4 -200LR will be delivered in 2007 as well. By 2008 AC will have all of its 3-773ERS and 12 LRs.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14551 times:

I think they will keep the YVR to HNL to SYD. I guess passengers on YYZ to LAX don't have to get off the plane and stay on the plane to continue its journey to SYD? Maybe they might offer nonstop from YVR to SYD in the future using 787s or 777-200LRs. Now I have two choices to fly on AC to SYD. I can't wait. I wonder whats their next step after SYD for using 5th freedom rights?. I think UA will be lucky or happy to offer more flights on AC's flight out of LAX to some other destinations since AC will be getting new a/c while we are waiting for UA plans for upgrading fleet and renewal.

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14551 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 11):
Yanks should stop trying to be WORLD POLICE. they do a really bad job of it & just annoy more of the world, which got the U.S. into trouble in the 1st place.

I have to admit I agree with that.



CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14512 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 15):
By 2008 AC will have all of its 3-773ERS and 12 LRs.

This is the first time I've seen a breakdown of the 777 order other than the 2 772F's. So AC is only getting 3 773ER's in the 18-unit order? What is your source?

Regards



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14489 times:

Actually it's 13 LRs. The Boeing order site has the breakdown, as well as in this presentation:

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/in...ments/Marketing_Nov-Dec%202005.pdf


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14479 times:

As far as I know 3 777-300ERs, 2 777-200F and 13 777-200LRs

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14457 times:

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 19):
Actually it's 13 LRs. The Boeing order site has the breakdown, as well as in this presentation:

Cheers, thanks Chris.  Smile I'm surprised the mix is not more 773ER's and fewer 772LR's. I'm also surprised at the delivery schedule of all 13 772LR's in just 2 years including 9 in one year. Looks like AC plans a rapid phase-out of the 343.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14349 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 21):

Cheers, thanks Chris. Smile I'm surprised the mix is not more 773ER's and fewer 772LR's.

with the -200LR based of the -200ER model, it has less seats than the -300ER so filling it up (which will hopefully lead to better yields) will be easier, not to mention cheaper (fuel, ect)...

also, the -200LR will do a good job in carrying cargo down below.....

if the service is right, I think AC could do well on this route...

also, I think its UA who might see some share deterioration...but UA has double dailies only on Mon/Thurs/Sat...so maybe AC will pick up some of those empty dates where UA only has a single flight....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAirtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14316 times:

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 6):
Perhaps that will be the nail in the coffin in allowing SQ to have coveted LAX-SYD-LAX traffic rights.

It really depends, if the Aussie govt grants AC the rights to the route, then there really is no reason, to deny it to SQ, (except for the reason that QF considers SQ a more formidable competitor than AC). I am sure that SQ is looking at this one closely, granting the route to AC but not to SQ raises a lot of question marks especially given the fact that Australia and Singapore have a FTA and should in effect have an open skies agreement as such, as well as the fact that QF have virtually unlimited rights to fly through SIN and beyond.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 16):
I guess passengers on YYZ to LAX don't have to get off the plane and stay on the plane to continue its journey to SYD?

WOW!! Sure didn't see this one coming. On a journey of this length, customers would deplane at LAX to facilitate full cabin grooming and catering, but in light of this, would AC have to realign its operatings at LAX as T-2 does not have an in-transit area AFAIK. However, having said that, what is the procedure for LHR customers on Air New Zealand's AKL/LAX/LHR route??

I don't think there is any doubt that YVR-SYD will be maintained as a separate entity.

As previously stated, the biggest hurdle will be regulatory approval by the OZ government.

[Edited 2006-01-26 03:23:02]


Above and Beyond
25 Jupiter2 : Airtropolis, for one I can't see any reason why the Australian Govt would not allow AC this route, it is afterall a "natural route". In that I mean it
26 AirCanada014 : Can you imagine if AC takes all the orders in 36 777s and 60 787s and expands rapidly and uses the 5th freedom they could take on NW, DL and AA and CO
27 RP TPA : Actually, on the YYZ-LAX-SYD legs, an in-transit area wouldnt be necessary. Since all psgrs would preclear US immigrations in YYZ, it would simply be
28 Carpethead : Or perhaps some major int'l growth in the meantime and then replacement of the A343/333. AC had drawn a lot of new lines on their proposed int'l rout
29 RoseFlyer : Yes Terminal 2 has customs and immigration that is used by multiple airlines. It isn't nearly as bad as the Tom Bradley International Terminal around
30 Yyz717 : Yes and no. The 772LR is actually LESS efficient than the lighter 772ER (which AC has not ordered) on all routes that the 772ER can fly nonstop which
31 Sebring : I suspect that's part of it. AC also faces QF this year on SYD-YVR, so maybe this is a bit of a warning shot as well. Finally, AC is basing all the 7
32 AirCanada014 : I wish AC luck and I hope this will be very successful. Who knows maybe AC will open up more Australia destinations and New Zealand too. Couldn't SQ j
33 N1120A : The 772LR will have YVR-SYD range
34 Jacobin777 : interesting...you might be correct, I did read this somewhere else also....my bad..but the -200LR does give them more flexibility.....
35 SFORunner : Recall that QF will be starting SFO - YVR in a couple of months' time. The Australiain Gov't permitting AC LAX - SYD could be seen as par for the cou
36 UAL777UK : This is all going to be interesting how it all pans out. Sure UA/AC are going to code share and will "scratch each others backs" on the route as they
37 Gemuser : Canada has had traffic rights USA-Oz since 1954! As Australia has had US-Canada rights. As these flights will use EXISTING rights, there is no need f
38 N1120A : Up to 7500nm? I don't think so. At 7009nm, EWR-HKG is the longest 772ER non-stop in the world and CO has given serious consideration toward a 772LR p
39 Gemuser : As per my previous post, the Oz government does NOT have to grant AC rights, they were granted in 1954! So your entire argument about rights is not r
40 Jupiter2 : Gemuser, Exactly what I was saying, I probably spent to much time trying to justify what I was saying. In regard to the 777LR's efficiency over routes
41 Pictues : AC already has fith freedom rights on HNL-SYD and UA Code Shares on that flight and they also have a HNL-SYD Flight
42 Jupiter2 : Pictues, UA does not serve HNL/Australia and they do not code share on the AC flight. UA used to operate flights to this part of the world from HNL wi
43 Pictues : Well the pax on Cathay's 888/889 flight do not deplane in YVR for grooming so maybe they'll stay on the plane
44 RoseFlyer : The 772LR weighs more to begin with, so it is less efficient on the same route that a 772ER could run presuming that the passengers and cargo are the
45 2travel2know : Since AC is to face tought competition from both UA/QF when they'll fly LAX-SYD, Would it be feasible for AC to route that YYZ-SYD via another U.S. We
46 AC787 : This is very coool news. Quick questions though, would YVR-SYD be slated to change to nonstop now that the yyz-lax-syd route was operating? If so, wha
47 Post contains images Bmacleod : If they're staying on the plane in during stopover in LAX, why go through US customs in YYZ?
48 2travel2know : I doubt this ever will happen. (1) Latinamerican governments are far more protective of their national airlines than Australia, specially if it comes
49 Post contains links SFORunner : UA 8489 and UA 8490 are the code shares for AC 0033 and AC 0046. http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/air-aerien/agreements/html/australia_e.html Pre-determinati
50 MAH4546 : Colombia, El Salvador, and Mexico are the ones where it would be most difficult. The rest wouldn't be that difficult to get 5th freedom. Many airline
51 EnviroTO : I would have preferred to see YYZ-HNL-SYD with maybe YYC-HNL and YEG-HNL flights and perhaps switch the YVR flight to YVR-HNL-MEL instead of SYD. Perh
52 ClassicLover : I would agree with that assessment. Trent.
53 AirCanada014 : I think LAX-SYD is more feasible than any other west coast, more competitions means lower price. Also AC product will be as good as UA/QF. Don't forg
54 AeroWesty : Since one of the objectives is to hub with other AC flights from Montreal, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver, which other U.S. city has such possibilit
55 AirCanada014 : the only feasible hub for AC to connect from other cities in Canada to USA are SFO and LAX.
56 2travel2know : I would have guessed LAS too.
57 ETA Unknown : With regards to the NZ AKL-LAX-LHR pax, everyone must enter the US, go through US customs and security- there is no transit area. Worst case scenario
58 AirlineAddict : Air France also uses Terminal 2. Passengers traveling from CDG to PPT clear customs and immigration in LAX before proceeding to Tahiti. Back on topic
59 Kiwiandrew : I thought that they had managed to get it changed for business class pax so that they can stay in a 'sterile' area , the downside being that they can
60 Post contains links AirCanada014 : Yes they mention NZ will also codeshare the route too. From the link in first reply it mentions QUOTE : ( Air Canada plans to work with its Star Alli
61 AeroWesty : I would rule out LAS or even PHX as too close to LAX to offer "something different". I would doubt if an LR could carry a full load to SYD from LAS o
62 AirlineAddict : Should have read the press release. Thanks. In a separate thread, we had just discussed the possibility of CO flying from LAX to SYD with feed from E
63 Post contains images AC7E7 : I agree, though the options that AC holds may be converted into 773ERs later on. We can assume that AC will be exercising its options for more 787s,
64 2travel2know : AC YVR-HNL could be flown on a narrow-body aircraft.. It's done from SEA/PDX. Several B777 depart TLV summetime in temperatures nearing the 100°F ma
65 HKGKaiTak : The other side of the coin is, will AC consider YVR-SYD non-stop with another 777 to complement the YYZ/LAX service? As has been noted above, the LAX
66 AeroWesty : Are they flying 8,000 miles with a full load? Just saying a plane is able to take-off under X conditions doesn't mean it can economically fly a route
67 FLYACYYZ : It's quite possible to facilitate this flight (and perhaps all of the AC operation), a terminal switch is in the works. Any chance they may negotiate
68 HanginOut : Sebring Will there be any 777 flights from YUL? Also, will there be any YVR-LHR/FRA flights, or will all the YVR 777 flights be to Asia/Australia? Ha
69 Post contains images AirCanada014 : Most of 777-200LR will probably be long range to ASIA, Middle East and Africa. and South Pacific I think thats what they will be using for. However th
70 Brilondon : I think that this would compliment AC's Australian flights. I found if I wanted to go to SYD from YYZ that it was a pain in the posterior to have to
71 AirCanada014 : I don't care how I get to SYD either from LAX or YVR from YYZ on AC. I love traveling and transfer through the airport. I can understand if I had to w
72 FLYACYYZ : I would wager YYZ-DEL will make a return with the LR's, as well as other ports of call in India. While the YYZ-ZRH-DEL flights are full, I believe it'
73 AirCanada014 : Is there large Indian community in New York? If so I think AC will probably do YYZ to EWR to DEL
74 6thfreedom : I think AC will go into the market quite aggresively, and will potential offer double daily. the YYZ-LAX-SYD flight will have a YVR-LAX connection. Th
75 FLYACYYZ : AC had no problem filling YYZ-DEL non-stop. The big problem as addressed in previous threads--too many performance restrictions with the A343's. Wron
76 RoseFlyer : Why would Air Canada want to compete against Continental? Continental has a huge flyer base in EWR and many many connecting oppurtunities since it is
77 AirCanada014 : AC dropped the HNL to MEL way back when they try to introduce another destination in Australia. I don't recall when they started and terminated the r
78 6thfreedom : AC's venture in to MEL was hampered by external factors. Service was announced August 2001, and commenced November 2001. Yep, less than 2 months afte
79 AirCanada014 : thanx 6thfreedom. good answer. Never thought it about it. Well it would be nice for AC to reinstate MEL via HNL from YVR.
80 Sebring : I would wager they go non-stop to BOM with the 772LR - a better business travel market and beyond the range of the US carriers who don't have 772LRs
81 AirCanada014 : I wonder who will be the next American carrier to use the 5th freedom and what route?
82 CHI787ORD : The problem with YYZ-BOM is that the economy cabin would go nearly empty. The Indians in the Toronto area are North-Indian, not West-Indian.
83 Ktachiya : Sorry KrisYYZ, didn't the original post from AC say YVR-NRT? Well I would reckon that they would fly it from YYZ of course, but
84 Simpilicity : Whenever the 2nd daily YVR/HNL/SYD started it should have instead gone YVR/HNL/MEL. Silly to have 2 flights YVR/HNL/SYD less than 2 hours apart, when
85 Kiwiandrew : which other destination ?
86 ANstar : I think AC will do well on the SYD-LAX sectors. They will have an excellent new business class and offer the largest pitch on normal Y. 34" Lets hope
87 AirCanada014 : Sorry I guess what I meant was MEL was their new destination but it didn't go too well so they had to drop it. However reply 78 already knew what hap
88 Kiwiandrew : no , my fault , I just re-read it and I see what you meant - sorry
89 QANTASpower : This is wonderful and exciting news. I would say the Australian Govt is now certain to deny SQ the right to fly this route! THANK YOU AIR CANADA!!!! I
90 Jacobin777 : who's to day QF's product will be good? by the time all is said and done, I wouldn't be surprised to see QF flying it with more than 500 pax.... all
91 AirCanada014 : Well you know AC will be installing PTVs on most widebody jets A330, 767s and 777s along with 787s in Hospitality Service and Executive First. Those
92 YOWza : Not meaning to highjack the thread but does anyone think there is any chance of AC flying to destinations other tha Australia via US airports? I'm thi
93 AirCanada014 : Yes I can see AC flying into LHR via east coast USA and latin via MIA.
94 YOWza : I was hoping to see some action from Ottawa. Perhaps: YOW-east coast US-FRA YOW-east coast US-CDG Ottawa is in desperate need of more international s
95 Post contains images AirCanada014 : Yes that what I mean. AC will have to start their flight anywhere in Canada to US then overseas to Europe. I think you are right I think AC will do Y
96 FLYACYYZ : It would be totally counter-productive to take an existing non-stop YOW/LHR service and 1-stop it via JFK, especially when the route does well. I cou
97 Post contains images HanginOut : Please do not flame me for this, as I am simply repeating what I have heard. I spoke with a few AC flight attendants about the YYZ-ZRH-DEL flight. Th
98 Post contains images AC787 : I doubt they would split the flights simply because swiss bound passengers don't like the fact theres lots of indians on the flight. If those custome
99 AirCanada014 : Well in the article it did say AC wants to work UA, NZ and US on the route. So I think NZ will just offer codeshare flights only. I don't think they w
100 AirCanada014 : Do passengers preclare US Customs at YVR before they board their flight to HNL and to SYD?
101 Sflaflight : That must be new after 9/11. When I flew CX 888/889 May 97 for the HK turn over to China, we got off and stretched for an hour at YVR. Nice break, I
102 AirCanada014 : Yeah getting off the plane for one hour is good to stretch. I remember when i went to SYD from YYZ via HNL we had about 1hr and 15min stretch inside t
103 Post contains links Docpepz : News from Today's Australian Financial Review ====================================================== News Air Canada has wings clipped James Hall 557
104 AirCanada014 : Well I hope all goes well for AC and SQ. Whatever the outcome for SQ lets hope AC can offer YYZ to SYD via LAX
105 VonRichtofen : If SQ is allowed to fly just SYD-LAX but AC is denied YYZ-LAX-SYD then that is BS Kris
106 Post contains links AirCanada014 : There's another link and site where they talk about Air Canada to challenge Qantas on US-Australia services http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?s
107 San747 : From a spotter's perspective, it'll be nice to see AC widebodies back at LAX again...
108 AirCanada014 : If Canadian government allows QF to fly to YVR from SYD via SFO assumming they also allow to pick up passengers in SFO to carry them to YVR then I can
109 FLYACYYZ : AirCanada014...You have a keen interest in this latest announcement. I'm going to play route planner/scheduler...my predictions for flight timings. *
110 Accargo : Not a chance. Sorry but having a 777 sit on the ground in SYD for over 16 hours is not going to happen. They need to be flying to make the route prof
111 RP TPA : With AC planning on working with UA/US to feed connections via LAX, it would make no sense to feed the USA originating traffic thru YYZ. Not withstan
112 FLYACYYZ : Ooops! You're absolutely right. Missed that part in my calculations. The aircraft would be lucky to be on the ground for 2 hours. Back to the drawing
113 AirCanada014 : Thats for sure no need to fly from USA to YYZ to LAX to SYD. AC with UA and US will work together to feed passengers from original depart to LAX then
114 SunriseValley : I believe the cross-over point was around 5200nm although I am unable to lay my hands on the chart right now.
115 Simpilicity : In light of SQ being denied access to SYD/LAX route this week, could SQ codeshare with AC & even use SQ metal/crew as a back way of getting in thru th
116 FLYACYYZ : Yes. No way.
117 Simpilicity : Basically this would be up to AC, wouldn't it? If I understand correctly AC would do it sooner, if they had suitable aircraft, which SQ have or could
118 EnviroTO : I don't think SQ could codeshare for passengers originating from Austrailia going to Los Angeles direct on AC. They could codeshare SYD-LAX for a pas
119 Simpilicity : SQ got knocked back by Australian govt this week. They may however supply AC with suitable aircraft & possibly crew (SQ cabin crew are 1000% better t
120 Yulguy : Regarding the fifth freedom rights, how extensive are they? Do both US and Canadian carriers now have complete freedom to fly flights from the other c
121 Sebring : I can't imagine the scenario where Air Canada's pilots would allow a de facto SQ operation, which would be a wetlease by any other name. They just fo
122 Simpilicity : AC not due to start YYZ/LAX/SYD until APR07, missing DEC-JAN peak season.
123 AirCanada014 : AC will commence their YYZ-LAX-SYD first half of 2007 which will be Jul not Apr. Quote ( Flights would commence during the first half of 2007 with th
124 Jean Leloup : How do you come to this conclusion? July is not in the first half of 2007. It is the seventh month of the year. JL
125 AirCanada014 : Because thats what I believe when they will start. Don't forget the first 4 777-300ER will be in spring time and the 200LR will be early summer. We'll
126 Jean Leloup : Fine, but it still doesn't make any sense to say that July (which is most definitely in the second half of the year) is part of the "first half of 20
127 ChrisA330 : AC has not specifically stated what version of the 777 they will be using. How do you know that the B773 will not be used?
128 Post contains links AirCanada014 : Your right my apologies, I wasn't thinking straight about July, I guess it would make sense first half would be June. I guess its possible anytime fro
129 Amirs : I just read that one of the first route AC will use its 777's will be YYZ - TLV.
130 AirCanada014 : I think don't think so. AC first 3 a/c are 777-300ER, will be doing daily YVR-NRT.
131 ChrisA330 : While you might be right - I know that's what AC put in their original release They don't need 3 aircraft to do YVR-NRT daily If there's anything to
132 SunriseValley : I thought I read that the -300ER's would be on the YVR-NRT, YYZ-FRA and YYZ-LHR routes.
133 FLYACYYZ : Definitely not one of the first routes, but perhaps eventually. Also I somehow recall that the bilateral agreement involves a cap on the number of we
134 Post contains links SunriseValley : Below is the link to the present Canada- Australia air services agreement. http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/air-aerien/agreements/html/australia_e.html Fifth
135 Amirs : You are right, it turns out I was misinformed. My source meant that the route will be one of the first to see the 787.
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