Aifos From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8973 times:
No more Paris based crews very soon. There were over 350 US FAs working out of CDG. Base will be closed by May 1rst. Official as of today 9am GMT. Staff visiting from Chicago UA HQ is holding meetings in Paris until the end of the week. Thought you guys might be interested.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27312 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8912 times:
Considering CDG flying has been scaled backed over the years and even with them covering the BRU flight, it seems the base has lost its economics of scale.
Also does not help that Star Alliance is in a little dispute with ADP regarding fees and terminal relocations so its doubtful the alliance will build up its schedule and connectivity in Paris as originally hoped for by having members under a single roof.
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UAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
Based on the news of expansion of IAD ops, and the CDG closure, I reckon we'll see an expansion of FRA ops with UA, perhaps FRA will be the new European crew-base? Makes sense given that it's a Star-Alliance hub and connecting point not only for LH, but also Austrian/Tyrolean (also part of Star).
ATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5012 times:
UA is closing PHL, EWR, and CDG. The new hire class was called downstairs and told about the info. They thought they were going to be reassigned but no, they are still going to IAD. It didn't make a lot of sense to keep a crew base in EWR and PHL.
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FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
I can say with some certainty that there's only about 250 FA's based (and maybe 200 are active at any given point) at CDG and of that number maybe half are Americans. The Americans (since they work for a US company) will be offered any base that are accepting transfers which will likely be any base in the system except HNL and HKG. The Europeans will probably be offered LHR, FRA and NRT if history has proven anything. When I was based in LHR and work Visa's would expire, this is what would happen.
It's no secret, with such little feed and no Star Anchor based there, that CDG is the black hole of the Star Alliance Network. There have been rumors about this base closing since the day I first step foot on UA property seven years ago!
I wish all the CDG, PHL and EWR based crew the best. I was forced to leave LHR after 9/11 (furloughed American) and it was a horrible experience! No amount of business sense makes this easy on the individual! Hopefully those affected FA's will make use of all the provisions in the contract for relocation. Hopefully this important decision will in part, help attain long term financial stability for UA!
The opinions, rumors, and beliefs expressed in the statement above are my own and do not represent United Airlines, UAL Corp. or any of its affiliates, vendors or stakeholders as official statement.
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Adh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3926 times:
I don't understand why UA would have a base outside of their hub cities. What routes do CDG based crews fly? I would guess from CDG to points in the US. They then spend the night and fly home the next day. Would it not be cheaper and easier to have the crews based in the US. Fly to CDG, spend the night and fly home the next day. This way the crews can fly to other places than just CDG return.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3869 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 18): simple really..............lots of the senior crews from CDG have been in LHR looking at the set up and so on.............it will happen, watch this space!
This is NOT happening. Airlines don't let you tour the system to figure out where you want to be based and no F/A that I know (and I'm one myself) is interested in the "set up" of a base that we're going to transfer to. F/A's generally transfer to be closer to home or to fly better trips - never because they like the "set up" of a base more.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3827 times:
Quoting Intothinair (Reply 19): isn't UA upgrading IAD-FRA to 3 times daily from 2 in May 2006???,
The crew that lives in Paris today can still reside there. The difference is that they'll have to dead head to work from their new base. Maybe a hassle but worth it for those who have roots/family in Paris.
: Who said anything about touring the system, who said that they had been invited by UA...not me, read my message again!!!! These beleive it or not are
: Your message is right but terminology is a bit off. They won't be able to "deadhead" to work to their new base. That would imply that UA transports t
: The flight has always been a daily flight. For the past year or so, on a 744
: UAL777UK. I always think before I type: British Airways have CABIN CREW bases in all cities mentionned in my previous post... Here they are again: Yo
: UAL777UK - BA does in fact have bases in many parts of the world - specifically the ones mentioned above ! I have had many a flight SIN to SYD and SIN
: Would this effect visa status of US citizens living there? Second, can someone from UA explain what the role of the crew desk is? And what is OPBSK?
: Exactly what does "looking at the set up" mean then if not the set up of the airport/crew base. The "set up" of the city perhaps? Until UA offers the
: A flight attendant could look at the LHR base in CDG, FRA, SYD, LAX, SEA or ABE. A base, from most perspectives, is an abstract thing. As ASFlyer was
: Stranger things will happen and please don't ask AFA leadership to know whats going on, at best they would just about know what day of the week it is
: To all you who doubted me (ASflyer) watch for 185 F/A's coming to LHR and the rest to FRA. I told you to watch this space didn't I!
: I'm still watching. Do you have something more credible then your word to verify this?
: What is in dispute? The aforementioned FA bases are closing on May 1 and May 31. AFA is meeting with company to discuss the options.
: UAL777UK says that he has evidence that they are transferring a majority of the CDG F/A's to the LHR base and I say that I can't believe that UA would
: What part of my message did you not understand.....Watch this space means.....watch this space...get it??? When this happens you can come over and ac
: Actually, the LHR base has been running short on FAs. I spent a good 2 months covering trips last year that could not be staffed suitably by the LHR
: Still watching and waiting..... All I see so far is a possible strike by the CDG based F/A's, which will ultimately put them out of jobs permanantly -
: Good old AFA clueless once again....keep watching!