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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006  
User currently offlineAifos From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

No more Paris based crews very soon. There were over 350 US FAs working out of CDG. Base will be closed by May 1rst. Official as of today 9am GMT. Staff visiting from Chicago UA HQ is holding meetings in Paris until the end of the week. Thought you guys might be interested.


AA Ex. Platinium
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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

Considering CDG flying has been scaled backed over the years and even with them covering the BRU flight, it seems the base has lost its economics of scale.

Also does not help that Star Alliance is in a little dispute with ADP regarding fees and terminal relocations so its doubtful the alliance will build up its schedule and connectivity in Paris as originally hoped for by having members under a single roof.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11632 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

Looks like EWR and PHL will also be closing.

User currently offlineSwank300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

May I ask where you got your information? Would you happen to have a link? Thanks!

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

He's got a link... Look more closely.


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User currently offlineAifos From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

I actually talked on the phone to one of the Paris based FA. Got all my info from her.


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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8224 times:

That is sad news. Does anyone know whether these FA's will have the option to transfer to the LHR or other USA bases?

User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

They will have to option to transfer to any base that is accepting transfers. Chicago, Washington etc. LHR has been closed for transfers for almost 4 years.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6595 times:

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 7):
They will have to option to transfer to any base that is accepting transfers. Chicago, Washington etc. LHR has been closed for transfers for almost 4 years.

I think you will find a lot of FA's will transfer to LHR


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
think you will find a lot of FA's will transfer to LHR

uh...... how do you figure?

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 7):
LHR has been closed for transfers for almost 4 years.


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the purpose of a crew base?


Boston, USA
User currently offlineWannaFly From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 10):

A crew base is were Pilots and Flight Attendants are based. ..... I think.



WannaFly
User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Based on the news of expansion of IAD ops, and the CDG closure, I reckon we'll see an expansion of FRA ops with UA, perhaps FRA will be the new European crew-base? Makes sense given that it's a Star-Alliance hub and connecting point not only for LH, but also Austrian/Tyrolean (also part of Star).


It's Time To Fly!
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11632 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 12):
perhaps FRA will be the new European crew-base?

United already has an FA base in FRA. United has international FA bases in LHR, FRA, NRT, HKG, and, until 1 May, CDG.


User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

What does this mean for flights into/out of those airports? Particulary PHL, since that is my home airport. Will the flights stay the same?

Mike


User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

UA is closing PHL, EWR, and CDG. The new hire class was called downstairs and told about the info. They thought they were going to be reassigned but no, they are still going to IAD. It didn't make a lot of sense to keep a crew base in EWR and PHL.


Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

I can say with some certainty that there's only about 250 FA's based (and maybe 200 are active at any given point) at CDG and of that number maybe half are Americans. The Americans (since they work for a US company) will be offered any base that are accepting transfers which will likely be any base in the system except HNL and HKG. The Europeans will probably be offered LHR, FRA and NRT if history has proven anything. When I was based in LHR and work Visa's would expire, this is what would happen.

It's no secret, with such little feed and no Star Anchor based there, that CDG is the black hole of the Star Alliance Network. There have been rumors about this base closing since the day I first step foot on UA property seven years ago!

I wish all the CDG, PHL and EWR based crew the best. I was forced to leave LHR after 9/11 (furloughed American) and it was a horrible experience! No amount of business sense makes this easy on the individual! Hopefully those affected FA's will make use of all the provisions in the contract for relocation. Hopefully this important decision will in part, help attain long term financial stability for UA!

FA4UA

The opinions, rumors, and beliefs expressed in the statement above are my own and do not represent United Airlines, UAL Corp. or any of its affiliates, vendors or stakeholders as official statement.



The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 9):
uh...... how do you figure?

simple really..............lots of the senior crews from CDG have been in LHR looking at the set up and so on.............it will happen, watch this space!


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 10):
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the purpose of a crew base?

To have local crew based in the city that can offer valuable local customs support to passengers. Language, knowledge of the city, culture etc.

Many leading airlines have international bases. BA for example has bases all over the world, including: Mexico, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Bahrain, Tokyo, Singapore etc.

Safe flying,
Alan  wave 


User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

isn't UA upgrading IAD-FRA to 3 times daily from 2 in May 2006???, making UA fly to Frankfurt 6 times daily, 3 from IAD, 2 from ORD and 1 from SFO

cheers, Konstantin G


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Isn't SFO-FRA only weekly, or did that change since I last flew?
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 19):
Many leading airlines have international bases. BA for example has bases all over the world, including: Mexico, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Bahrain, Tokyo, Singapore etc.

since when...BA, does not have crew bases all over the world, your confused with Local Staff that are employed. We are talking about crew bases here!


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

I don't understand why UA would have a base outside of their hub cities. What routes do CDG based crews fly? I would guess from CDG to points in the US. They then spend the night and fly home the next day. Would it not be cheaper and easier to have the crews based in the US. Fly to CDG, spend the night and fly home the next day. This way the crews can fly to other places than just CDG return.

Andrew


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 18):
simple really..............lots of the senior crews from CDG have been in LHR looking at the set up and so on.............it will happen, watch this space!

This is NOT happening. Airlines don't let you tour the system to figure out where you want to be based and no F/A that I know (and I'm one myself) is interested in the "set up" of a base that we're going to transfer to. F/A's generally transfer to be closer to home or to fly better trips - never because they like the "set up" of a base more.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3469 times:

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 19):
isn't UA upgrading IAD-FRA to 3 times daily from 2 in May 2006???,

Yes.

The crew that lives in Paris today can still reside there. The difference is that they'll have to dead head to work from their new base. Maybe a hassle but worth it for those who have roots/family in Paris.


25 UAL777UK : Who said anything about touring the system, who said that they had been invited by UA...not me, read my message again!!!! These beleive it or not are
26 Gman3 : Your message is right but terminology is a bit off. They won't be able to "deadhead" to work to their new base. That would imply that UA transports t
27 Legacyins : The flight has always been a daily flight. For the past year or so, on a 744
28 AlanUK : UAL777UK. I always think before I type: British Airways have CABIN CREW bases in all cities mentionned in my previous post... Here they are again: Yo
29 Industrybuff : UAL777UK - BA does in fact have bases in many parts of the world - specifically the ones mentioned above ! I have had many a flight SIN to SYD and SIN
30 Ctbarnes : Would this effect visa status of US citizens living there? Second, can someone from UA explain what the role of the crew desk is? And what is OPBSK?
31 ASFlyer : Exactly what does "looking at the set up" mean then if not the set up of the airport/crew base. The "set up" of the city perhaps? Until UA offers the
32 Aa757first : A flight attendant could look at the LHR base in CDG, FRA, SYD, LAX, SEA or ABE. A base, from most perspectives, is an abstract thing. As ASFlyer was
33 UAL777UK : Stranger things will happen and please don't ask AFA leadership to know whats going on, at best they would just about know what day of the week it is
34 UAL777UK : To all you who doubted me (ASflyer) watch for 185 F/A's coming to LHR and the rest to FRA. I told you to watch this space didn't I!
35 ASFlyer : I'm still watching. Do you have something more credible then your word to verify this?
36 Gman3 : What is in dispute? The aforementioned FA bases are closing on May 1 and May 31. AFA is meeting with company to discuss the options.
37 ASFlyer : UAL777UK says that he has evidence that they are transferring a majority of the CDG F/A's to the LHR base and I say that I can't believe that UA would
38 Post contains images UAL777UK : What part of my message did you not understand.....Watch this space means.....watch this space...get it??? When this happens you can come over and ac
39 Gman3 : Actually, the LHR base has been running short on FAs. I spent a good 2 months covering trips last year that could not be staffed suitably by the LHR
40 ASFlyer : Still watching and waiting..... All I see so far is a possible strike by the CDG based F/A's, which will ultimately put them out of jobs permanantly -
41 UAL777UK : Good old AFA clueless once again....keep watching!
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