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Why No -J Rego's On KL?  
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

As I was browsing the KL fleet lists on airfleets.net, I noticed an interesting thing: no single KL rego ended on a J. E.g, 738s registered PH-BXA through PH-BXT, but with no BXJ. Same goes for PH-BF* 744s and PH-BQ* 772s. Anyone an idea on why that is?

Many thanks, Max


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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

IIRC the PH-B*J registrations are used for flight simulators. I have seen model airplanes also with this reg.

 airplane 


User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

PH-**J registration are used for model planes, flight simulators use the corresponding PH-**X registration.

There is however a Fokker 100 PH-OFJ.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
IIRC the PH-B*J registrations are used for flight simulators.



Quoting Vunz (Reply 1):
flight simulators use the corresponding PH-**X registration.

not completely correct, the A330 flight sim is regged (and quite apropriate) PH-AOG (Aircraft On Ground). What I heard as the reason they don't use the J (as well as the Q at the last digit) is that it resembles the I/O too much.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Why do the simulators need to have registrations?

User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Thanks for the answers guys..

Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
Why do the simulators need to have registrations?

Yeah, why is that actually?

Also, why do models need their own rego's? Isn't it cooler to have a model of an existing jet, or are there ethics concerned (post-crash collectibles etc.)?



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12396 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

They don't need to. It's probably just a tradition. Interesting point, though; never thought of it.

All Aer Lingus airplanes are named after saints, but the simulators are named "St. Thetic" (think about it!!)


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):

Yeah, why is that actually?

Also, why do models need their own rego's? Isn't it cooler to have a model of an existing jet, or are there ethics concerned (post-crash collectibles etc.)?

Sims don't need regs, and they are not registered as such, just something... fun... I guess.

The reason I heard that models use the J (ie not used in real regs) is indeed the resemblance to a real plane in case of a crash etc.



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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Quoting Vunz (Reply 2):
flight simulators use the corresponding PH-**X registration.


Simulators have names also, does anyone have a list of all KLM's simulator names?

[Edited 2006-01-27 12:47:08]


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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
no single KL rego ended on a J. E.g, 738s registered PH-BXA through PH-BXT, but with no BXJ. Same goes for PH-BF* 744s and PH-BQ* 772s. Anyone an idea on why that is?

Maybe it because of the funny way the Dutch pronounce their J's  wink 

 duck Tod


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8):
Simulators have names also, does anyone have a list of all KLM's simulator names?

from: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...l_aviation/read.main/2264846/6/#12
by KL5147:

L-1049 PH-??? �Lokeend� (1956-1961)
DC-7 PH-DSX �Dry sea� (1957-1972)
Viscount PH-VIX �Van Speyk� (1957-1964)
L-188 Electra PH-LLX �Terra� (1961-1967)
DC-8-33/53 PH-DCX �Baron von Munchhausen� (1959-1981)
DC-8-63 PH-DEX �Gulliver� (1967-1984)
DC-9-15/32/33 PH-DNX �Madurodam� (1966-1988)
DC-10-30 PH-DTX �Opus 10� (1972-1993)
B747-200 PH-BUQ �Nils Holgersson� (1970-1991)
(not named after a river, because this flight simulator was operated for the KSS(U) group therfore it was also registered as Q instead X)
B747-200/300 PH-BUX �Daidalos� (1981-????)
B747-400 PH-BFX �Olympia� (1989-
B747-400 PH-BFQ �Atlantis� (1991-
B737-300 PH-BDX �Bestevear� (1986-
B737-400 PH-BTX �Odysseus� (1991-
MD-11 PH-KCX �Mary Poppins� (1993-
Airbus A310 PH-AGX �A309� (1983-
Fokker100 PH-KLX �Spinoza� (1989-
B777-200 (ER) PH-BQX "Fort Spijkerboor" (2003-
AirbusA330 PH-AOG Cockpit Plein (Square)

Fokker70 ??
B737-800(900) ??
B767-300 ??


User currently offlineFokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
All Aer Lingus airplanes are named after saints, but the simulators are named "St. Thetic" (think about it!!)

 Big grin

Quoting JRadier (Reply 7):
The reason I heard that models use the J (ie not used in real regs) is indeed the resemblance to a real plane in case of a crash etc.

Do many carriers reserve a registration for each aircraft type, just for models? The few models in my collection all have existing registrations.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 11):

Do many carriers reserve a registration for each aircraft type, just for models? The few models in my collection all have existing registrations.

As I posted before (reply 3), KLM doesn't use the J, Q and X as their last reg. digits because they resemble the I and O too much (not entirely sure why the X isn't used, but that might be a dutch criteria (no X in the reg)). It makes sense to use these regs for models etc when you don't want to use real regs (for whatever reason). So it is the other way around, they don't not use them because those are the regs of the models, but they use it on the models because they don't use them on the plane  Wink



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