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Egyptair Increases LHR, JFK And JNB Flights  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

LHR

After a year of trying to access more slots at London/Heathrow, MS has been granted an extra weekly slot to increase their CAI-LHR flights to 8x weekly. The airline currently have a daily CAI-LHR service (B777). MS779/780 will be an evening service operating every Wednesday with an A320.

Eff MAR/06
MS777 CAI-LHR -234-67 10:35/13:35 0 B777
MS777 CAI-LHR 1---5-- 14:00/17:05 0 B777
MS779 CAI-LHR --3---- 18:10/21:15 0 A320 ... new service

MS778 LHR-CAI -234-67 15:00/21:45 0 B777
MS778 LHR-CAI 1---5-- 18:25/01:15 0 B777
MS780 LHR-CAI --3---- 22:30/05:15 0 A320 ... new service

This will be in addition to the weekly Monday MS761/762 LXR-LHR-LXR B777 service and weekly Sunday MS765/766 SSH-LHR-SSH A320/A321 flight, which will give Egyptair 10x weekly flights to LHR.

Looking at the new service's arrival time into CAI (05:15) I'd say it's targetting the first wave of domestic services from CAI to LXR, SSH, HRG and ASW which tend to depart between 05:00 and 07:00. The number of British tourists visiting Egypt increased by 52% in 2005 compared to 2004.

Deviating slightly, there was an article I read in 'Business Egypt' late last year which stated that the Egyptian aurhtories have refused BA more access to CAI in a tit for tat move for MS being denied more access to LHR. I wonder if this will make any difference. I know for a fact that BA's current B744 LHR-CAI service does very well in F, C and C classes (demand for W fluctuates a lot)...


JFK

Across the pond, the airline will increase flights to New York JFK Airport also in March to 6x weekly B777 flights. This represents an increase of 20% in seats compared to summer 2005.

Eff Mar/06
MS985 CAI-JFK -234567 10:15/15:15 0 B777
MS986 JFK-CAI -234567 18:30/11:45 0 B777

The airline usually has 4x weekly flights to JFK during the winter and 5x weekly in the summer, but at the start of the winter 05/06 timetable winter flights were increased to 5x weekly and now this summer flights become daily (except on Mondays).

At the moment the increase is only planned for the summer, but I'm sure the increase will be maintained throughout the winter 06/07 timetable with a daily service becoming effective summer 2007 when CAI's new terminal (T3) opens June 2007.


JNB

After many years of operating 2x weekly services to Jo'burg, MS will be increasing services to JNB to 3x weekly A330 flights this March with a new Thursday flight.

Eff Mar/06:
MS939 CAI-JNB -2-4-6- 02:40/09:40 0 A330
MS940 JNB-CAI -2-4-6- 21:45/06:45 0 A330

Again looking at JNB's schedule it seems the service is targetting transiting pax from MS's European services which arrive into CAI late in the evening and depart from CAI early in the morning.



In addition to the normal increases during the summer the following is a list of new increases from CAI:
FCO: up from 6x weekly to daily
DXB: up from daily to 9x weekly (+4 other services route via ALY and SSH)
DOH: up from 5x weekly to daily
RUH: up from daily to 10x weekly (+1 service via ALY)
GVA: up from 2x weekly to 3x weekly (+1 service via SSH/HRG)


Over the next few months new destinations and extra frequencies will be announced as the first B738s (due September/06) arrive.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

What frequency would MS ideally like on CAI-LHR-CAI?

Is it likely that PAR will be increased?



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Good to see MS expanding again  Smile

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
What frequency would MS ideally like on CAI-LHR-CAI

Yea, im wondering the same. Do they wan't 2 daily?

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
DOH: up from 5x weekly to daily

Good to hear this, will they be using a mix of A320's and 735's still?  Smile

Will MS bring back the A340 to LHR, or will they only all be last minute changes?

I remember seeing an 342 approaching LHR last April, I would like to see the 342's at LHR more often  Smile

Horus, where are MS using the A340's to currently?

I love the MS A340's, so much more exciting than the A330's  Smile

I'm still wishing for an MS widebody service from SSH to LHR  cloudnine 


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
What frequency would MS ideally like on CAI-LHR-CAI?

Speaking to an MS pilot he said they would eventually like to have 2x daily flights to LHR as it's their most important European market. Depending on slot availability/costs at LHR, MS could possibly go double daily by next summer when CAI's T3 opens.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Is it likely that PAR will be increased?

No, they will maintain their daily CAI-ORY A332 service and weekly LXR-ORY A321 service for the foreseeable future.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Good to hear this, will they be using a mix of A320's and 735's still?

MS will use the A320 on the DOH service except on Fridays when the A340 will be deployed on the route.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):

Will MS bring back the A340 to LHR, or will they only all be last minute changes?

No the B777 will remain the backbone of MS's LHR services. In MS configuration the Boeing has 23% more seats than the A342.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Horus, where are MS using the A340's to currently?

They are used on flights to NRT, KIX, KWI, JED and several other Middle Eastern destinations. They used to be deployed on ORY and JNB flights but these services are now operated using the new A332s.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
I'm still wishing for an MS widebody service from SSH to LHR cloudnine

The plan was for a second weekly SSH-LHR service to start October 05 but the incidents in Sharm last summer and GB Airways' new LGW-SSH flights put a hold on that plan.


Horus



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
where are MS using the A340's to currently?

They mainly use them on Japan flights ( Tokyo and Osaka ) and some flights to the Middle East . By the way , I was on board of one of their A340's 10 days ago on my way from Jeddah to Cairo and let me tell you it is a beautiful spotless Aircraft with a lot of leg room and very quiet engines.

Horus , It is good to hear about increasing flight frequencies to some cities especially to JFK where MS does not have any American competitor with direct flights to CAI .



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 4):
Horus , It is good to hear about increasing flight frequencies to some cities especially to JFK where MS does not have any American competitor with direct flights to CAI .

I guess MS is preparing itself for possible new competition from US carriers next year...

US Airlines And Egypt


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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Also, the 1-stop CAI-BOM flights will become non-stop 330 service, with the Sharjah stop eliminated.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 6):
Also, the 1-stop CAI-BOM flights will become non-stop 330 service, with the Sharjah stop eliminated.

This is really great news and about time too. This will cut the journey time between the 2 cities from 7hrs 10mins to 5hrs 40mins and increase seat capacity on the market. I suppose this move was inevitable with the increase in passenger numbers but also because G9 and IC have both began daily A320 services between SHJ and BOM.

In 2004 50,000 Indian tourists visited Egypt and that number was expected to double in 2005.

This article from last year suggested charter flights between the 2 countries was on the cards but I heard nothing:

"Egypt Tourism is banking on outbound charters to multiply Indian outbound to its destination and the country’s tourism minister is already in dialogue with an unspecified, India-based major tour operator to begin charter operation soon, though the time frame remains open to speculation."
http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200509/lookout02.shtml


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

Will Egyptair leave Sharjah or do they have other servces there?


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Speaking to an MS pilot he said they would eventually like to have 2x daily flights to LHR as it's their most important European market. Depending on slot availability/costs at LHR, MS could possibly go double daily by next summer when CAI's T3 opens.

would MS be able to fly CAI-LGW also? maybe that would be one way to increase frequency...



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 8):
Will Egyptair leave Sharjah or do they have other servces there?

MS will increase flights to SHJ this summer from the current 2x weekly CAI-SHJ-BOM A332 flights to 3x weekly A320/B735 dedicated flights. The usual summer only weekly ALY-SHJ-ALY flight has been terminated which is no surprise considering Air Arabia operate 14x weekly flights on the route during the summer (10x weekly in winter).

Eff Mar/06:
MS966 CAI-SHJ --34-6- 19:35/00:05 0 EQV
MS967 SHJ-CAI ---45-7 01:05/03:50 0 EQV

Two flights will be operated with the B735 and one with an A320.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
would MS be able to fly CAI-LGW also? maybe that would be one way to increase frequency...

Egyptair would not consider operating CAI-LGW but would rather slowly increase services to LHR to achieve 2x daily flights. LGW is viewed as a leisure airport and higher yields are found at LHR. In addition LGW already has many flights to Egypt (albeit most are charter flights but GB Airways and Astraeus operate scheduled services) which means MS would have to reduce airfares significantly (i.e. reducing yields) to compete with these charter/LC airlines.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 10):

Egyptair would not consider operating CAI-LGW but would rather slowly increase services to LHR to achieve 2x daily flights. LGW is viewed as a leisure airport and higher yields are found at LHR. In addition LGW already has many flights to Egypt (albeit most are charter flights but GB Airways and Astraeus operate scheduled services) which means MS would have to reduce airfares significantly (i.e. reducing yields) to compete with these charter/LC airlines.

interesting....thank you very much..

good luck MS on the expansion routes!



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 10):
MS will increase flights to SHJ this summer from the current 2x weekly CAI-SHJ-BOM A332 flights to 3x weekly A320/B735 dedicated flights.

so what will happen then to CAI-SHJ-BOM route? will BOM remain one stop via SHJ or go nonstop with the A 332?


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12):
so what will happen then to CAI-SHJ-BOM route? will BOM remain one stop via SHJ or go nonstop with the A 332?

As Jasepl mentioned , it will be non-stop . But will it remain twice weekly ?



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

MS are also increasing flights to Dammam in Saudi Arabia this summer. There is an additional service on the Cairo-Dammam route every Wednesday, making 9 weekly departures from DMM.

Regards

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
interesting....thank you very much..

good luck MS on the expansion routes!

You're welcome. This summer should be interesting with new destinations and extra flights expected to be announced.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12):

so what will happen then to CAI-SHJ-BOM route? will BOM remain one stop via SHJ or go nonstop with the A 332?



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
As Jasepl mentioned , it will be non-stop . But will it remain twice weekly ?

Yes as Jaspel (post 6) stated CAI-BOM will become non-stop on a twice weekly basis with A332s.


Current timetable:

MS966 CAI-BOM --3--6- 01:35/12:15 1 SHJ A332
MS967 BOM-CAI --3--6- 13:15/17:55 1 SHJ A332

New timetable (eff Mar/06):

MS968 CAI-BOM --3---- 03:00/11:10 0 A332
MS968 CAI-BOM -----6- 04:35/12:45 0 A332
MS969 BOM-CAI --3---- 12:10/15:40 0 A332
MS969 BOM-CAI -----6- 14:00/17:30 0 A332

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 14):
MS are also increasing flights to Dammam in Saudi Arabia this summer. There is an additional service on the Cairo-Dammam route every Wednesday, making 9 weekly departures from DMM.

Yes it seems there is an additional Wednesday A320 service (MS683) to complement the daily MS681 service and weekly MS685 service that routes via ALY. It's strange SV only have 2x weekly flights (SV320) on the route compared to 3 last summer.


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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
This is really great news and about time too. This will cut the journey time between the 2 cities from 7hrs 10mins to 5hrs 40mins and increase seat capacity on the market. I suppose this move was inevitable with the increase in passenger numbers but also because G9 and IC have both began daily A320 services between SHJ and BOM.

In 2004 50,000 Indian tourists visited Egypt and that number was expected to double in 2005.

This article from last year suggested charter flights between the 2 countries was on the cards but I heard nothing:

I haven't heard anything about the charters, but I the papers and magazines have been full of ads for incredibly priced holidays in Egypt for the last few months.
I would think Egypt would be a great destination for people from India to visit - an Indian hotel chain has had some of the best hotels in Egypt for years now.
I'm dying to go myself... One day!


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 16):
I haven't heard anything about the charters, but I the papers and magazines have been full of ads for incredibly priced holidays in Egypt for the last few months.

If you could find any information regarding these charters that would be appreciated. You could ask some local travel agencies?

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 16):
I would think Egypt would be a great destination for people from India to visit - an Indian hotel chain has had some of the best hotels in Egypt for years now.
I'm dying to go myself... One day!

I was reading this article that the Indian and Chinese tourists to Egypt are far more interested in the historical sites/visits like Cairo, Luxor, Aswan, etc as opposed to the Red Sea resorts.

Hopefully it won't be too long before you visit.


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User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

What about AMS? They have 2 weekly flights on friday and sunday and operated by a mix of 320/321/332 and this for years now.
KLM has a daily (?) B772 flight to Cairo...


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 10):
Egyptair would not consider operating CAI-LGW but would rather slowly increase services to LHR to achieve 2x daily flights.

Would Egyptair ever consider STN?

They could do something similar to what Turkish Airlines (TK) did at London (3 daily LHR, 2 weekly STN).

MS could send perhaps a 3-5 weekly A320 or 738 (on order) flight to STN, thus increasing capacity to London and still having flights to LHR, would this work for MS?  Smile

Also STN would not have many (if not any) Egypt flights so less competetion for the airline than at LGW. Plus STN will have a different catchment area of North London/East Anglia/East Midlands


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
Also STN would not have many (if not any) Egypt flights

STN website lists a weekly winter flight to SSH with TOM/BY and no summer flights



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 20):
STN website lists a weekly winter flight to SSH with TOM/BY and no summer flights

Thanks, but I actualy meant Scheduled flights  Smile

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 18):
What about AMS? They have 2 weekly flights on friday and sunday and operated by a mix of 320/321/332 and this for years now.
KLM has a daily (?) B772 flight to Cairo...

Along with BCN, AMS has remained at 2x weekly flights since the 90s. BRU increased to 3x weekly this winter and GVA gets a 4th flight this summer.

Last October all flights to AMS and BCN were scheduled on the A321 (there have been last minute aircraft changes). I have no answer as to why the airline hasn't increased their CAI-AMS service. In addition they are the only major European city that does not have a scheduled MS service from LXR, HRG or SSH to complement the CAI flights.

KL, on the other hand, has slowly increased their services to CAI from 5x weekly B763 flights in 2003 to daily B763 to daily MD-11 to daily B777. This summer they will use 5 B777s and 2 MD-11s on KL553/554 (winter being the peak season).

How much is the O&D market between AMS and CAI? I assume KL's service relies heavily on pax making onward connections on their North American and UK flights (I have used KL to fly LHR-AMS-CAI a couple of times).

Back to MS, I am confident they will increase their AMS service from October 2006, probably to 4x weekly services.

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
Would Egyptair ever consider STN?

They could do something similar to what Turkish Airlines (TK) did at London (3 daily LHR, 2 weekly STN).

MS could send perhaps a 3-5 weekly A320 or 738 (on order) flight to STN, thus increasing capacity to London and still having flights to LHR, would this work for MS? Smile

Also STN would not have many (if not any) Egypt flights so less competetion for the airline than at LGW. Plus STN will have a different catchment area of North London/East Anglia/East Midlands

As with LGW, I doubt MS would look at any other LON airport. STN is still seen as a LC airport.

The comparison with TK is interesting. In 2005 the number of British tourists visiting Turkey was just over a million (source: http://www.gototurkey.co.uk/) which was a 5% increase over 2004. Now in 2005 the number of British tourists visiting Egypt reached 860,000 which is a 52% increase over 2004 despite the incidents in Sharm. Now on reflection, it's interesting to note that the number of flights (scheduled and charter) from the UK to Turkey is significantly higher than that to Egypt. Egyptian charter airlines have kept well away from the UK market, and MS should take advantage of this void and expand more into the LON market (largest one in the UK). In that case STN and LGW are good alternatives to catch that 'holiday market' due to the airports' lower costs in comparison to LHR. But if we are being honest then I doubt MS will start flights to any other LON airport and instead concentrate in slowly increasing LHR frequencies.


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

MS have loaded up another frequency increase today. This time for Sa'naa (Yemen).

The service will go up from 4x weekly to daily this summer too. The first time the airline has served Yemen with more than 4 weekly flights.

Eff Apr/06:
MS691 CAI-SAH 1234567 23:30/02:30 0 A320
MS692 SAH-CAI 1234567 03:30/06:45 0 A320

The flight times have been altered slightly to make a more comfortable transit period in CAI to/from MS's European flights, which the service relies on to a certain extent.

Horus

[Edited 2006-01-30 23:10:17]


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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 4714 times:
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hello All
been a long time, i was so busy lately that i didn't even have time to check what's going on.
its good to be back though.
thanks for the INfo Hours good news for me (JFK) - and for MS too congrats for the new slots - keep it up MS
Congrats Hours for moderator

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25 Horus : 3amel eh ya Tut? Yes MS is continuing to increase frequencies on their current route network on a year-round basis rather than just for the peak summe
26 Jasepl : I'll ask around. I hope so too. Egypt's been near the top of my list for far too long. I really must stop running off to France every time!
27 CaptinTuT : im fine and you man Totally agree and can't wait to see
28 Horus : Good Good Before MS start new routes I would first like to see them develop their current network. Destinations like AMS, BOM, DME and to a lesser ex
29 HiJazzey : Will Borg al-Arab airport be renamed Alexandria airport when Al-Nuzha closes?
30 Horus : HiJazzey, it wil remain as Borg Al-Arab Airport (HBE). The airport was designed not only to serve Alexandria but also the Delta region. Also Al-Nozha
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