Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8357 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8161 times:
Qantas initially flew them as far as Singapore, then added service to the Persian Gulf and London. Of course in those days the European services were more widespread than today's mere London and Frankfurt, they had Rome, Manchester, Paris (which only disappeared from the QF route map recently), also Geneva, Belgrade and Athens.
Many of BOAC's eastbound 747 flights stopped in Munich or Zurich. Some weird hangover from the 50s, which of course were only 15 or 20 years previous at the time.
MEA flew the same plane through Beirut from London to Jeddah and / or Bahrein.
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 2): TWA had a special 747 rep onboard to answer any pax questions that they may have had about the 747. I asked him what the stall speed was, and he replied that "This aircraft doesn't stall!". Oh well......
You should have slapped him. They may as well have put a monkey in a red jacket by the sound of it. This aircraft doesn't stall. How funny.
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BOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7850 times:
Lufthansa was first European airline to introduce the 747.
BOAC (now simply BA) was late due to a dispute with its pilots, and introduced the 747 in 1972.
SABENA, Swissair, KLM, and SAS formed a cooperative alliance to take advantage of economies of scale in maintaining the 747, and operating the aircraft economically. The 747 was not easy to fill in the early 70's, many airlines flew the plane with low load factors.
Iberia introduced 747 service on MAD-JFk and MAD-YUL-MEX
TAP introduced the 747 in 1972 with two in its fleet
TWA appeared with 747 in MAD in 1970, Pan Am flew JFK-LIS-BCN thrice weekly, alternating with a 707 on other days)
Most Europeans carriers operated the 747 initially into JFK, some into ORD, or LAX.
The original P&W engines were a big headache for early 747 operators, and it took some time to get use to load/unloading baggage containers (new at the time)
The US operators initially had the largest 747 fleets. Pan Am and TWA having the most by far, followed by, UA, NW, AA, NA, DL. (EA leased from PA, as well as AA initially)
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7704 times:
Yes, I believe they (UA TriStars) were gone within 3-4 years after they were acquired. I'm sure someone knows for sure.
On a semi-related note, I nostalgically recall taking UA ORD-HNL 747 flights when I was a kid. The three-windowed lounge upstairs, spiral staircase, flight attendants in "Aloha shirts", smoking section in the back. Ahhhhhhh, the good ol' days!
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7576 times:
On the subject of 747 service, why was the spiral staircase replaced with a straight staircase? (and when was that, with the -400s?)
My dad has always talked up the spiral staircase from his 747 flghts (international business traveler... the "international" was infrequent) more than just about any other frature, so I was a bit taken aback when I boarded my first (and only, so far) 747-400 flight (UA100, N117UA ORD-LAX, booked solely because it was a 747) and found myself climbing a straight staircase to the upper deck... seems to me that it would "waste" more space.
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Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7545 times:
This little experience happened in 1970 or so, just before DTW had any 74 service. A good friend and I were doing DTW/LAX and we scheduled an a/c change at ORD just to get that final leg on a 74. This was a Saturday.
When approaching the boarding ramp at ORD I balked; it was a 707. The ramp attendant said that although 747 service was published, AA quit because of not enough pax on Sats and substituted 70s. A little talking got us no-cost swapped (they did that back then) onto a TWA 747 scheduled in about two hours.
If I remember the numbers generally, there were something like twelve or so FAs and ten pax on that TWA 747, including us. We got total tour of the a/c en route, including jump-seat time (something else they did back then).
My first - and last - 747 flight. Subsequent flights to the west coast were all on D10s for me from then on. Regards...jack
Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7542 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 17): On the subject of 747 service, why was the spiral staircase replaced with a straight staircase? (and when was that, with the -400s?)
The straight staircase was started on the -300 model when the upper deck was stretched. The upper deck on the 747-100, -200, SP was not intended at the time to carry revenue seats as they were originally designed as a lounge. Airlines decided to add seats and the lounges disappeared. Now that they have passengers upstairs a straight staircase is easier to go up and down as opposed to a spiral one, especially with bags.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8105 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7514 times:
It was said back in the mid seventies (and I do not know how true it was and certainly cannot verify it) that if you got to LHR in time for the first flight arrivals on a summer's weekday and stayed there until dusk that you could clock 75 per cent of the world's 747s.
Type-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7489 times:
You are right, the TWA 747 PR guy on board was just a regular PR type that did nothing but walk around the aircraft smiling and tell everyone how many lavatories, galleys, and how many people it could accomodate at any given time. He even noted how proud TWA was of the interior decor! (Woodgrained side panels with white indents around the windows and red seats!) After I asked him the stall question, he kind of hurried off to the next cabin.
At the time I took this trip, TWA had the 747 in service for only a few weeks.
Sorry... I show my age. ahaha.. "After seven years of planning and construction, CDG began service on March 8, 1974." All I recall in the book, "Birds of Prey" that the first flight was IAD-Paris. I assumed it was CDG and was wrong.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13978 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7383 times:
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 22): Sorry... I show my age. ahaha.. "After seven years of planning and construction, CDG began service on March 8, 1974." All I recall in the book, "Birds of Prey" that the first flight was IAD-Paris. I assumed it was CDG and was wrong.
I would guess that first flight was then IAD-LBG, right?
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7378 times:
Quote: did Pan Am fly from SFO to (then) TYO non-stop with the 747-100?
Yes, they did.
One of the first incidents involving a 747 was a Pan Am flight LAX-SFO-TYO. If I remember correctly, the pilots miscalculated the weight and the needed take-off room, and ended up having the undercarraige collide with equipment at the end of the runway, damaging the aircraft, necessitating a return to SFO.
The plane landed safely, with the front landing gear collapsing. The plane was N747PA, the second one built.
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: The takeoff was calculated for 28L takeoff but were assigned 01R instead. Respective runway lengths (2006 charts) for 28L and 01R are 10,602' and 8,6
: I believe that would make it VTOL capable. Why were they hiding this from us?
: More likely ORY. By 1970, LBG was an outdated airport specialized in Africa services. But I'm not sure, since that was not a regular scheduled flight
: I clearly remember NW had a 747, took it just for thrills at USD $26.00 each way, JFK/IAD/JFK continued onto Tokyo and Seoul from there. Think is was
: I flew B747 by Air France back in 1973 from CDG to EZE with stops in RIO-SAO-MTV.Incomparable!!! Alex!!!
: Ah, my first 747 was UA HNL-LAX in Sep 1971 as an airline brat. I used to go upstairs, sit on the wrap-around couch, drink a coke, and play solitaire.