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What Is This At LAX?  
User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13867 times:

Can anyone tell me what this is at LAX. It looks like miny gates/terminals but it dosen't seem accessable by pax.


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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Those are the remote stands. Usually occupied when the International Terminal is full - which is often.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

How do PAX get to the main terminal? Also are these self sufficient? EG baggage claim?


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13796 times:
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
How do PAX get to the main terminal?

By mobile lounges to the Tom Bradley Terminal



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User currently offlineSkyHarborsHome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

Why did LAX not consider doing something like Atlanta and just have train service underground to a terminal? The answer will probably be "poor planning" like we usually hear but thought I would ask.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13428 times:

Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 4):
Why did LAX not consider doing something like Atlanta and just have train service underground to a terminal? The answer will probably be "poor planning" like we usually hear but thought I would ask.

I don't think poor planning has anything to do with the remote gates. They were likely built after the TBIT opened in the early 80's, and the logistics of operating the airport and constructing a tunnel from TBIT to those gates would have been a nightmare. Remember, the only taxiways linking the north parallels from the south parallels are just west of TBIT, and those would have had to have been put out of service during such a construction project.

Also, LAX isn't the only airport to have non-underground-connected satellite gates. In fact, if we all think long enough, we can come with some airports that were designed and constructed exactly that way.

Tom at MSY

[Edited 2006-01-26 23:27:42]


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13422 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 5):
Also, LAX isn't the only airport to have non-underground-connected satellite terminals. In fact, if we all think long enough, we can come with some airports that were designed and constructed exactly that way.

When the airport was first built (before the 1960s), all the terminals had satellite gates with underground access.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13397 times:

Are the remote stands cheaper for the airlines? Must be...

I've been on them at Fiumicino in Rome. Quite time consuming.

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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
When the airport was first built (before the 1960s), all the terminals had satellite gates with underground access.

I edited my post to state none-underground-connected access to remote 'gates' instead of remote 'terminals'. That should clear up the point I was making.

Tom at MSY

[Edited 2006-01-26 23:34:20]


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9488 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13217 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 5):
Remember, the only taxiways linking the north parallels from the south parallels are just west of TBIT, and those would have had to have been put out of service during such a construction project.

Actually there are is an additional set of taxiways further west. If you have a long landing roll, then you might end up using them. These pass by the remote stands and on the west side of the maintenance area for American.

If you look at this picture full sized, you can see them.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13195 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
Actually there are is an additional set of taxiways further west

Just noticed taxiway AA way out west in the sticks.....I imagine the airlines wouldn't be too happy about having to do a long taxi to get from one side to the other. In addition, it being a single lane means air traffic control logistical nightmares.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Building an undergound line and a true remote terminal isn't likely to happen anytime soon -- it would be very expensive for very limited gain over the buses.

Steve


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
By mobile lounges to the Tom Bradley Terminal

What is a mobile lounge? Is that a glorified name for a bus?


User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 12):
What is a mobile lounge? Is that a glorified name for a bus?

Ya, it is basically a bus with a few seats and a lot of poles. When you get through security, there are a bunch of ground level gates (I know 117 is one of them, thats the one I was bussed out of), and when it's to head out to the stand, the buses pull up, and they board you by seating area. Of course, since there are like, three busses, people get on different ones, so boarding by group didn't really work. When you get to the stand, you get off the bus, walk into the little building, and immediately up a ramp and then into the jetway. And of course, there are gate agents and people standing around to make sure you don't run off onto the tarmac, though it is perfectly possible lol. Also, when we took off, we taxied on that single lane taxiway, takin' the boonies! Here is a picture taken from onboard the aircraft of the remote stands.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/Frontiercpt/100_1336.jpg

~Oliver~


User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12967 times:

I just went through the database, and found this picture that shows the bus stands for the remote stands. All the parking spaces above the SQ 777 are for the buses.

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12967 times:

Quoting Frontiercpt (Reply 13):

Ok, I think that is what I rode to the gate when I was in Sweden. But if they are going to call it a lounge they should serve drinks.  drunk 


User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12890 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 15):
But if they are going to call it a lounge they should serve drinks.

Who needs drinks because that will take your focus off the 747 holding on the taxiway, just a few feet away (ok, not really)! Yay for small creature pride! Midgets represent!
~Oliver~


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12824 times:

Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 4):
Why did LAX not consider doing something like Atlanta and just have train service underground to a terminal? The answer will probably be "poor planning" like we usually hear but thought I would ask.

They have:

http://www.laxmasterplan.org/pdf/Diagram_Alt-D_detailed_2015.pdf

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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12793 times:

Is that an El Al 737?!? It is too small for 777 and looks too small for a 767, but how could they get a 737 there and why?


That is a neat little AE terminal. Seems like a comfortable place to work, away from everything else and a little isolated by yourself.




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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12775 times:

Quoting Frontiercpt (Reply 14):
I just went through the database, and found this picture that shows the bus stands for the remote stands. All the parking spaces above the SQ 777 are for the buses.

What kind of planes are those regional propjobs?


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12719 times:

There are lots of airports that use buses, even newly built ones, like HKG. Terminal gates cost a lot of space, and if you need to have more gates without having a gigantic terminal, then buses is the way to go...

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12692 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 19):
What kind of planes are those regional propjobs?

SAAB 340's.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12601 times:
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Are the remote gates assigned on a lottery basis as needed when TBIT is full, and possibly, T2? I had heard that some airlines in the past [i.e., TG] would take a remote gate because it was less expensive and then another time I heard they were not in good with LAWC management? I'd be very interested to know how these gates are assigned?
Is it safe to say too that airlines like MX end up having quite a few flights departing/arriving from the remote areas because of the large amount of flights they have arriving and departing from TBIT, as well as AS with the large amount of arrivals that have to go through TBIT, instead of T2[which I"ve never understood?].

Have a good night everyone.
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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9488 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12589 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 22):
Is it safe to say too that airlines like MX end up having quite a few flights departing/arriving from the remote areas because of the large amount of flights they have arriving and departing from TBIT, as well as AS with the large amount of arrivals that have to go through TBIT, instead of T2[which I"ve never understood?].

Well AS only uses TBIT for arrivals. All of their departures leave from terminal 3, so it isn't like their planes are sitting at a gate at TBIT very long. They are only long enough to deplane the passengers and go through customs formalities before getting towed across the alleyway.

Why would AS use terminal 2? Their facilities are in terminal 3, whic does not have any facilities to process international arrivals.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12562 times:

Let em answer some of these questions:

-The El Al plane is a 762. They operate Tel Aviv via YYZ.

-The props at the remote are American Eage Saab 340's. There is useally a jungle-jet or 2 mixed in there.

-Remote are used just about every time from 10am to 1am. There is no basis on who ends up there. Its all timing and if LAWA can not find you a gate a TBIT, then to the beach you go. Alaska gets a lot of arrivals there since some of the TBIT gates for narrow bodies can not accomodate the 737-900 due to length. The narrow body gates also can not acommodate winglet 737's. Lacsa, you are correct in that MX/AS have a lot of planes that end up out there. T-2 can not handle the amount of arrivals that AS has, thats why we do not have our Mexico arrivals there.

-The bus's or lounges are also used from T-2 when AF or Air China use a remote gate for a departure.

-The reason LAX can not to underground trains like ATL is first, its to late. Second, we live near this things called a fault line and an ocean. It would be very expensive to put in a train that is safe from earthquakes. Not to mention LAX is on the ocean and the land is a little moist. Hope this helps!

ASLAX



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25 LACA773 : RoseFlyer, I asked the question "WHY" because T2 does have custom/immigration facilities. Please check out LAX's website for further information. AS7
26 RoseFlyer : I am fully aware that T2 has customs/immigrations facilities. It doesn't make sense for AS to use Terminal 2. Terminal 2 is privately owned. TBIT is
27 Post contains links and images AF Cabin Crew : Ia Orana all ! Just wanted to say that when AF flights were "house" at T5 we would sometime use the remote area. I believe other airlines from T2 also
28 JAGflyer : In YUL they have the "Aeroquay" which is a terminal strip that used to be used by international flights and prop/inter-canadian flights. Now it's just
29 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2195935/6/#ID2195935
30 NorthstarBoy : just fyi, the plane in the pic is an SQ A345, not a 772, not to sound picky. and for some reason i thought MX had dedicated gates at LAX, everytime i
31 Post contains links and images N751PR : Knowing the constant curiosity of the remote stands in LAX, I decided to make sure to take some shots before my JAL flight to KIX. Entrance: View of o
32 Post contains images Carledwards : Nice photos; its always good to see what its like from the point of view of an everyday passenger!
33 Laxintl : Actually the above photos are of the 4 original remote gates dating back to the construction of TBIT back in 1984. The original posters picture of the
34 Post contains images VEEREF : I think this has to be an A.net record. 16 posts it took for someone to correct the SQ type in the photo! Come on folks, getting a little slow are we
35 AirlineAddict : AF moved to T2 after the KLM merger. I've been out of Cali for three years now and it shocked me too. Back on topic The remote gates were also used w
36 AF Cabin Crew : AF moved from TBIT to T5 in early 2003 and last year we moved from T5 to T2
37 Post contains images Chase : They should just hire the guy who built the tunnel they discovered yesterday from TIJ to Otay Mesa
38 Post contains images Stargoldlhr : Sounds like a "Passenger Waiting Experience" to me
39 Olympus69 : I always thought mobile lounges were those things that carried passengers to the plane and were raised up to the door of the aircraft, thus eliminati
40 Post contains images Eirjet : The mini terminal is for mini pax
41 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Or hire them for this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...ib/20060124/news_1m24terminal.html The irony...
42 N1120A : This one is much better than the last one for the airport and transport in general Not only is T3 between TBIT and T2, but AS is on the side that sha
43 Post contains images Dalb777 : Like this one @ Dulles: [Edited 2006-01-28 01:01:00]
44 Nonfirm : They filmed the opening scene for the movie airforce one at these gates.
45 LACA773 : I'm surprised to hear CO uses TBIT for their Mexico arrivals? Couldn't they use T5? It can't be that busy compared to the other customs facilities? L
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