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Air Canada And Their US Strategy  
User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

With the news that AC plans to launch YYZ-LAX-SYD in 07 with brand new 777's,

AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 (by Sebring Jan 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2006/25/c0761.html

, does anyone think that AC might actually use there new fifth freedom rights quite extensively?

AC's star alliance partners such as united and US could be happy with AC running some international routes to places they cant/or wont fly too but would feed those flights. AC would be in a position to do well in those flights because a) there costs are lower then the american legacies, b) there product is generally better(my opinion as well as skytrax survey, i dont want this to be subject of thread), and c) with the United/US codeshares there would be US government employees could take the flight. Flights such as this would also open up many routes that in themselves arent financially viable but with canadian O&D and US O&D would be quite strong. A flight that couldnt fill up from super hubs such as yyz and ord would be pretty shocking.

The main negative i can think of is the US's immigration policy, but i think the pro's outweigh this. Also AC cant focus too much on this until they have many of there new planes on order, so this would be medium term speculation. Im interested on what ppl think of AC's future US strategy (possible routes, negatives, advantages etc)



AC787

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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

I would love to see AC venture into Africa. With SA set to join star soon this might not be all that likely but I think a YVR-US-JNB or YYZ-US-JNB route would be awesome and might do well as SA is a good tourist destination, JNB has good onward connections to Africa and there are a decnet number of South Africans living in Canada.

All that said, US immigration is actually a huge pain in the butt for citizens of countries that require transit visas.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

I think AC will take the advantages of the 5th freedom rights. They will continue to expand and offer new routes and or new destinations. There's already a post on AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 (by Sebring Jan 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)

If they can preclare the us customs in YYZ then there should be no hassle in LAX right?


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 2):
If they can preclare the us customs in YYZ then there should be no hassle in LAX right?

Correct. As previously pointed out, they'll deplane to the lounge area for full grooming and catering. It's the return journey that will prove to be more of a challenge.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11846 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5036 times:
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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

So many US routes, were axed following 9/11. With AC Jazz securing the rest of the AC Mainline CRJ fleet through the year, what are the possibility of some of the following destinations being reinstated?

YYZ-AUS/CHS/GSO/GSP/JAX
YUL-ATL
YOW-RDU

Just to name a few.....



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

What do think of a

YYZ-MIA-JNB?

aad665


User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 6):
What do think of a

YYZ-MIA-JNB?

I would say no. The reason being MIA is not a Star/United hub and SAA a new Star partner is already on that route.

I would think Air Canada would add beyond routes from IAD/ORD/SFO/LAX as they are all United hubs and Air Canada could in turn use the United flights for feed. I'm sure United would code share on any beyond routes that Air Canada would add.

You could also add PHL/CLT/LAS/PHX to the mix as USAirways is in Star.
(I forgot them in the original post)

[Edited 2006-01-29 02:12:24]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 7):
The reason being MIA is not a Star/United hub and SAA a new Star partner is already on that route.

SAA does plan to begin MIA-JNB service in the near future, but hasn't firmed up the plans yet.



a.
User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

MAH4546---Thanks for the info I had thought SAA was still on the JNB-MIA-JNB route.


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User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 7):
I would think Air Canada would add beyond routes from IAD/ORD/SFO/LAX as they are all United hubs and Air Canada could in turn use the United flights for feed. I'm sure United would code share on any beyond routes that Air Canada would add.

You could also add PHL/CLT/LAS/PHX to the mix as USAirways is in Star.
(I forgot them in the original post)

Very good point, however, if the O&D from a city is large enough, having feed from united or us might not be necessary. For this reason, having flights from miami might not be such a bad idea, perhaps not to JNB, but to latin america.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Perhaps because of AC's investment in the new USAir, CLT/PIT/PHL could all be beyond contenders under the new open skies agreement.


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 6):
What do think of a

YYZ-MIA-JNB?

Short of a YYZ-JNB non-stop, the rumor mill has been generating for years:

YYZ-MAD-JNB
YYZ-LIS-JNB
YYZ-ZRH-JNB



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 11):
Perhaps because of AC's investment in the new USAir, CLT/PIT/PHL could all be beyond contenders under the new open skies agreement.

Contenders for what?



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
Contenders for what?

For "beyond" routes under the liberalized US/Canada air services agreement.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Lets compile a list a beyond USA destinations where AC could excercise its new fifth freedom rights.

Whe you visit here you can read summaries about Canada's International Air Service Agreements. Until 2000, a more complete version of the "Report" was publically available. Now we have to deal with the non-confidential version, which omits important information (for some countries) on the possible routes a scheduled air carrier could fly.



--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4344 times:

What about YUL/YYZ-MIA-Cuba.

US airline can't only fly charter. Canadian can fly regular flight?


User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4325 times:
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Quoting Aad665 (Reply 16):
What about YUL/YYZ-MIA-Cuba.

US airline can't only fly charter. Canadian can fly regular flight?

so long as they dont take any US citizens to spend USD in Cuba ... but that would limit the viability of the flights somewhat ... perhaps they could have an inflight service where they exchange the pax USD for CAD - then they would be US citizens in Cuba ( which is allowed ) and they would not be spending any USD there ( which isn't allowed )  Big grin



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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

I'm hoping for YYZ-DKR-JNB eventually but I don't think there is enough Canada to Africa traffic right now. DKR will be a good connection point to western and middle Africa if they ever get their new airport under construction. A flight via MAD or LIS would be better suited to serving CAS or NBO since it is a little out of the way for a YYZ-JNB route. Perhaps a full suite of YYZ-DKR-JNB, YYZ-LIS-CAS, and YYZ-MAD-NBO would be ideal.

User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

I wonder if a YYZ-JFK-CAI or a YYZ-BOS-CAI route would work. Id be very happy if that happened, although id prefer a nonstop flight from yyz.

User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

hmm I think that AC would operate those flights(CAI etc.) first via YUL rather than through the US.

But maybe we could see a YYZ-LOS-JNB routing? Lots of connecting traffic to garner there.


User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
so long as they dont take any US citizens to spend USD in Cuba ... but that would limit the viability of the flights somewhat ... perhaps they could have an inflight service where they exchange the pax USD for CAD - then they would be US citizens in Cuba ( which is allowed ) and they would not be spending any USD there ( which isn't allowed )

Cool idea! Of course it would probably ruffle a few feathers, but it would probably get enough takers to not have to worry! You'd also have to exchange the USD for CAD pretty quickly, as MIA and Havana aren't that far apart.



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User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 641 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

No, AC will not fly to Cuba from MIA so lets stop talking about it for the sake of talking about. It won't happen.

Of the US Airways hubs in the east, I would say PHI is the most likely to see AC int'l routes...however I don't think AC will fly out of US Airways hubs directly to international destinations. You will more likely see those passengers routed to a more profitable U.S. city such as ORD or JFK (in the east) and LAX in the west for an international route.

As for Africa, it could very well be a possibility, however only when AC receives a substantial number of 787s (and I'm talking about exercising their options here).



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User currently offlineGsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quote:
So many US routes, were axed following 9/11. With AC Jazz securing the rest of the AC Mainline CRJ fleet through the year, what are the possibility of some of the following destinations being reinstated?

YYZ-AUS/CHS/GSO/GSP/JAX
YUL-ATL
YOW-RDU

Just to name a few.....

I wish they would start YYZ-GSO back up, my company and mary other used it a lot to get nonstop or one stop flights to canadian destination. Now I am stuck with 3-5 stop flights. I know we had people on this flight almost daily.


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