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JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut  
User currently offlineTacSupport1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11385 times:

These planes are awesome. Once they get the kinks worked out, and more people get to fly these and the routes they fly on, it will catch like wildfire....


"JetBlue CEO cites hiccups in Embraer plane debut"

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060126/3/2erps.html


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User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11361 times:

A buddy of mine is an IT manager for them and was saying the onboard computers were giving them some issues, Embraer was up for weeks working with them. They also had some EMI issues with the PTVs and the FAA certification. Nothing major he said all part of a new type of airliner.

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

I was at the bar at CMH and watched an Embraer go on to the taxiway, sit for 20 minutes, taxi to takeoff position, do an aborted take off, sit on the taxiway for another 10 minutes, then taxi back to the gate. He then took off 1 hour later with no apparent problems. It wasn't Jet Blue though. I wonder what went wrong to cause him to do this??

[Edited 2006-01-27 03:19:20]

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11225 times:

Bear in mind that the dispatch reliability of these aircraft are probably being benchmarked against B6's fleet of A320's--an aircraft which has graced the skies for 20 years, with B6 being a latecomer to this type.

I remember with the introduction of the A320's there were LOTS of kinks that needed to be worked out to improve dispatch reliability. The EMB's are an awesome little aircraft.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11188 times:

The Embraer 170 you saw at CMH was either Shuttle America or Republic Airlines (was it DL Connection, UA Express or US Express?)

The computers on these aircraft are finicky. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it. Much like your home computer. This is probably what happened to the one you saw - an unnecessary warning of some kind.

-Tony



Prepare doors for departure and cross-check.
User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it.

I was working a flight that got this "error message"...problem was it happend on our takeoff roll. We aborted and returned to the gate. It caused a delay of over an hour. I hope these kinks are worked out soon, because it really is a great airplane to work. I've only had a handful of customers that were LIVID about the TV's not working. Most people are very understanding.

My only "complaint" about the 190 is the "height" of the overhead bins...Yes..the smaller bins give more space per customer...but, the thicker bags can't fit and have to be gate checked. I'm told this is something that is being looked at.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10989 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
was it DL Connection

I think it was a DL Connection. Thanks for the info it kind of gave me chills to see him abort the take off. I have never seen that before


User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10967 times:

So does these things have Crtl Atl Delete keys? Could you imagine at 35,000 feet getting the blue screen of death, lol.

User currently offlineAerostar From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10954 times:

A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):

a restart at 20,000 feet?? looks like they are using Windows as the OS  Smile


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10921 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
The computers on these aircraft are finicky. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it. Much like your home computer. This is probably what happened to the one you saw - an unnecessary warning of some kind.

"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10868 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???

"No I don't want to send an instance of this problem to Embraer!...'Don't Send!'"



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2971 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10868 times:

According to the presentation, the reliability is supposedly improving quickly. Just looking at today's numbers, 8 of 10 flights on JFK-BOS were on-time. IAD-BOS-IAD wasn't as good - I'm assuming because of winds.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9508 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10698 times:

This is really unfortunate. The Embraer 170 series of airplanes had a lot of new design elements incorporated in them. The E170 is the first plane ever (that I know of) to have a single contractor design the entire electrical system. Hamilton Sundstrand designed it all.

I have also been on a flight where problems were found while taxiing out to the runway. They were all solved by doing a full restart of the airplane at the gate, which took about an hour. It amazes me how complex an airplane can be, yet something like restarting it can solve problems. It isn't supposed to work that way.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10431 times:

Every new type has eething problems, I'm sure in 12 months time this board will be filled with stories of troubles the A380 has during EIS or in 2007-08 people will be writing about the problems the 787 might face during EIS.
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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

The E-170 seems pretty rock solid now. Why would the E-190 be different? Same cockpit and systems.

User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
I have also been on a flight where problems were found while taxiing out to the runway. They were all solved by doing a full restart of the airplane at the gate, which took about an hour. It amazes me how complex an airplane can be, yet something like restarting it can solve problems. It isn't supposed to work that way.

First step in computer troubleshooting is usually a full restart. This analogy is a bit off-topic, but I think it fits... When I worked in retail we had fancy new registers installed, touchscreens, thermal-printed receipts, built-in check readers & Printers, the works.

So, the supervisors (most of whom had worked for the company for 30 years or so) were all petrified when the slightest problem came up with them. Personally, as a lifelong computer user, I shrugged and if the problem caused the register to have major issues, flipped down the cover, pressed the little white button twice, waited two minutes, and problem solved.

Granted, an aircraft IS more complex, but it's still being RUN by a computer. Same as your car, same as a grocery store register, and same as your ISP's connection network.



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10190 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 5):
My only "complaint" about the 190 is the "height" of the overhead bins...Yes..the smaller bins give more space per customer...but, the thicker bags can't fit and have to be gate checked. I'm told this is something that is being looked at.

I've been on an AC E175 a couple of times (I love them! great little planes!) and, as you can see, the bins are fine for the "approved" carry-on size:


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Are you saying that JetBlue actually installed smaller bins on their E190s?

Thanks,

Tony



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User currently offlineThehangarcat From Canada, joined Apr 2002, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???

"No I don't want to send an instance of this problem to Embraer!...'Don't Send!'"

PC Load Letter?! What the F**k does that mean?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes



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User currently offlineTi717 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9331 times:

Sales pitch on the E190:

"Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. "

(I am not going to give the movie)

[Edited 2006-01-27 17:34:45]


Sir, don't you think we should turn on the runway lights?" "No, that's just what there expecting us to do!"
User currently offlineJayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

Behind the scenes jetblue has had their fingers crossed on this plane since usairways first started getting deliveries of the E-170 2 yrs ago. The E-170 quickly go the name E-180 for all the gate returns required and the software still has some minor glitches left. The plane is so freaking complicated that it has virtural circuit breakers instead of regular ones. Meaning for a simple icas message that you would have to pull circuit breakers in a boeing, airbus,crj or erj you now have to have a tech come hook up a lap top and diagnois it.

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9236 times:

I worked for TZ and have had to sit there while the flight deck crew "restarted" the system on a 738 and 752. It was only a few times, but it will be something that has to be done on occasion even when the E-190 is years old.

M


User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 19):
The E-170 quickly go the name E-180 for all the gate returns

It's seen written in many of our 170s..... I've also seen...

Hurry up and load it, Before it brakes



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User currently offlineRiddlePilot215 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8407 times:
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Quoting Ti717 (Reply 18):
Sales pitch on the E190:

"Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. "

(I am not going to give the movie)

Great movie btw.


Think about it this way, at least these are just simple 'software' faults and not hardware, and they're being caught now, or perhaps it's just a matter of each indiviual company tweaking with the software for their own performance characteristics?



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
The computers on these aircraft are finicky. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it. Much like your home computer. This is probably what happened to the one you saw - an unnecessary warning of some kind.

This happened to me on a UA A320 at SFO, ready to take off. The pilot said he needed to restart the plane. Got an uneasy laugh from everyone onboard.

Quoting Tbird (Reply 7):
So does these things have Crtl Atl Delete keys? Could you imagine at 35,000 feet getting the blue screen of death, lol.



Quoting Aerostar (Reply 8):
a restart at 20,000 feet?? looks like they are using Windows as the OS



Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
"No I don't want to send an instance of this problem to Embraer!...'Don't Send!'"

Hilarious!!!!!
 rotfl 


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 16):
Are you saying that JetBlue actually installed smaller bins on their E190s?

No, thats not what I said. I'm saying that people are (accidentaly?) being allowed to carry on bags that would otherwise fit in our A320 bins. At the end of boarding, I always have 3 or 4 bags in the aft galley that have to be checked because they dont fit in the overhead.


25 Post contains images KYAir : Quoting pilot "Now DQI, I'm going to have to shut you down." Quoting DQI "I'm sorry Capt Smith, but I can't let you do that." 10 points for decoding
26 Post contains images Bohica : Whatever happened to the good ole days where you could just kick it?
27 KYAir : Well crap, it only took 10 minutes, 23 seconds - that was too easy! And here I thought I was the only one with so much nearly useless knowledge. Good
28 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : For HAL was one step ahead of IBM... I have another thread on the telcon where Neeleman mentioned these issues. Jetblue Talk At Raymond James (by Lig
29 Crosscountry : Had the same thing on a VS A340-600 Thankfully it was just one small system that needed to be reset not the whole plane. Would probably still have bee
30 SparkingWave : I hope not, for all the Airbus bashers will never let us hear the end of it. SparkingWave~~~
31 Arrow : I think I can see the problem here. Behind every IBM computer lurks the evil, Darth Vader clone -- DOS. They should have installed Macs in the Embrae
32 Planespotting : if anyone doesn't know what movie that is, I'm here to help. 2001: A Space Odyssey
33 Aztec01 : "Daisy...........Daisy........give..................... me....................... your.........." "Now that our Embraer has come to a complete stop, y
34 JRodriguez136 : Here's an answer to what the airticle said: What the article failed to report is that the first six months of operating a brand-new aircraft type are
35 ChiGB1973 : ERJ toolbox: Ball peen. Claw. Sledge. What else do you need? M
36 Wjcandee : The pilot inexperience is, in my view, a really big concern. They don't have enough guys and gals with ONE HUNDRED HOURS in the type? Yikes.
37 JetBluefan1 : I'm pretty sure it has to be 100 hours on a revenue flight. Flight simulator and test runs don't count. Am I correct? JetBluefan1
38 Srbmod : Fonzie worked on the ramp? Any new a/c will have teething issues for the launch customer(s). AirTran and TWA went through similar tech issues with th
39 Jeff G : Well if it's a new airplane, nobody has experience in type. They are experienced in other aircraft - we're not talking green pilots here. They also h
40 Post contains images DL4EVR : Gee....I guess they're gonna have to take down all the billboards on the Van Wyck Expwy. (the main route to JFK) that say "A Better Way to Boston"
41 JetBluefan1 : Actually, the flights have been running mostly on-time this month. I think all the major kinks have been worked out. BTW, I never saw that billboard.
42 BOAC911 : Wasn't there a thread some time ago about Alitalia have so many problems with their small fleet of E70s? I heard that they are considering replacing t
43 Crogalski : Ok, so I flew to and back from BOS yesterday, and on the flight up there, I was speaking to the FA about our E190s.. And he told me the rumor that he
44 ChiGB1973 : They can't do that unless they stipulated it in the initial contract and I highly doubt that EMB would have allowed it. I don't know that there is a
45 MidnightMike : The Jetblue pilots that were the first one to fly the 190's, more than likely received a high number of simulator training & in turn probably assiste
46 ChiGB1973 : It's an FAA requirement for low visibility. I flew with a 757 captain at TZ that had upgraded and finished his 100 hours during our trip. We lucked up
47 Post contains images MiCorazonAzul : Sorry man but looks like our fellow crewmember must of been on something because that can't be true. First off, the A318 and A319 are NOT replacement
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