LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7918 posts, RR: 63 Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
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Lan Peru will start flights between São Paulo International Airport and Lima, Peru. This flight will continue to LAX.
Lan Peru will run GRU-LIM 6 times per week with a Boeing 767-300 to begin on march 21st (?)
Two frequencies will be LP768, just GRU-LIM and LIM-GRU as LP769 (Mo/We)and four frequencies as LP604 (GRU-LIM-LAX) and LP605 (LAX-LIM-GRU) (Tu/Th/Sa/Su).
Timetable:
GRU 19:30
LIM 22:35
LAX 07:25
LAX 13:10
LIM 01:40
GRU 08:30
The plane will remain at GRU during 11 hours and at LAX during almost 6 hours.
Good news to South America and also, another way to LAX from Brazil (and with an early arrival at LAX)
The flight info is available at Amadeus and Lan site.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7586 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
Excellent news, and more flights between Brazil and the US West Coast. This will break RG's monopoly on the GRU-LAX route (although RG will continue the only airline serving this route nonstop).
Competition on the GRU-LIM will also get tougher. RG and TA already serve the route daily; TAM also expressed interest flying this route.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7918 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1341 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4): Competition on the GRU-LIM will also get tougher. RG and TA already serve the route daily; TAM also expressed interest flying this route.
Also Ocean Air will fly GIG-GRU-LIM very soon.
I believe TAM, due to the delay to start this route, has postpone their plans due to the high competition.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3): I think GRU is a fantastic addition to LP's routemap. I am sure they will do great.
They have the advantage of the time. The only one with night flight GRU-LIM and also LIM-GRU (despite not so good time) ariving GRU at early morning, more convenient to business travellers.
Varig uses 1 plane (752) on the route, and LP will use 2 to allow night flights both directions.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7586 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1306 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 6): ll AA be code-sharting on this new LAX-LIM-GRU flight?
I dont think so. Instead, it would make more sense for JAL (OW newest member) to codeshare with in this route. Would the flight allow for smooth connection on JAL's flights to LAX?
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5): They have the advantage of the time. The only one with night flight GRU-LIM and also LIM-GRU (despite not so good time) ariving GRU at early morning, more convenient to business travellers.
Indeed, but LAN flight will have a stop-over in LIM, and most pax (in Brazil) resist stop-overs. Also, if you considering stop-over and/or change of planes, you have a multitude of options to fly from GRU to LAX, especially with US carriers. I dont think LA flight will attract many pax on the GRU-LAX route, and RG nonstop service will still be the number one choice of pax (especially premium pax).
Also keep into perspective that RG has plans to increase flights to LAX.
Clickhappy From United States, joined Sep 2001, 8912 posts, RR: 81 Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
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Will this route be served by the new 767 that LAN is taking in early March?
FLY2LIM From United States, joined May 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7): Indeed, but LAN flight will have a stop-over in LIM, and most pax (in Brazil) resist stop-overs. Also, if you considering stop-over and/or change of planes, you have a multitude of options to fly from GRU to LAX, especially with US carriers.
Yes, point taken, but this is the one option that does not require entry into the US, which has been a sore point for Brazilians. It may also be a shorter flight as far as time in the air, although I cannot say for certain.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7586 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 9): Yes, point taken, but this is the one option that does not require entry into the US, which has been a sore point for Brazilians.
Of course it will requite entry into the US: LAX is part of the US, isnt it?
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2476 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
Excellent to hear this type of news indeed. I see several interesting developments:
LAN alone will now operate a total of 11 weekly nonstop flights between Lima and Los Angeles, an impressive figure which yet again proves that there is quite a market between the two cities, regardless of where the flights begin.
It is also evident that air traffic between South America and Los Angeles is once again rising, as we see more dedicated capacity on routes to the US city.
It is well-known, yet worthy to remember that RG recently decided to focus the once divided capacity between NRT and LAX solely to Los Angeles. Rumors have it that they're not satisfied and want more frequencies.
LAN now increases the LIM-LAX frequencies from 7 to 11 in front of our eyes, and adds GRU.
AV is certainly not lagged behind, and they are well-ahead with their plans of re-launching the BOG-LAX route during mid-year with several weekly frequencies.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7): I dont think so. Instead, it would make more sense for JAL (OW newest member) to codeshare with in this route. Would the flight allow for smooth connection on JAL's flights to LAX?
I agree. Unfortunately JAL's earliest depature from LAX to NRT takes-off almost exactly at noon, whereas this new LAN flight arrives in LAX around 7 o'clock or so.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 35 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7): Would the flight allow for smooth connection on JAL's flights to LAX?
JL flight arrives LAX at 9:50am, leaves at 11:50am. (Plus the codeshare flights)
So it looks like both directions work with connections of 5:20 (EB) and 4:25 (WB)
FLY2LIM From United States, joined May 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10): Of course it will requite entry into the US: LAX is part of the US, isnt it?
Boy, I do an excellent job of making myself look silly on here. What I meant was that it would be easier to connect to an LAX flight in LIM than going through, for example, Miami, which takes forever for someone coming from Brazil. Yes, the point of entry into the US would be LAX instead of Miami, but the connection would be easier through another country.
Furthermore, if you were going beyond LAX, you could possibly not enter the US and just stay in transit, though I am not certain this is available at LAX (haven't been in that airport in decades).
I hope this is clearer.
FLY2LIM
LH459 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 705 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 13): Furthermore, if you were going beyond LAX, you could possibly not enter the US and just stay in transit, though I am not certain this is available at LAX (haven't been in that airport in decades).
In the post 9/11 world, this is not possible at any US airport. Anyone touching US soil has to go through US immigration, regardless of their ultimate destination.
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is temporary; the evil it does is permanent" - Ghandi
Latinplane From United States, joined Dec 1999, 2421 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1142 times:
I remember the days when VARIG had such a big chunk of that market.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Varig once flew:
NRT-LAX-LIM-GRU-GIG
This flight was very interesting as it shuttled both Peru's and Brazil's Japanese communities between South American and the land of the rising sun. This flight was also used a lot by the Peruvian community who had Varig or Aerolineas Argentinas as choices to fly between LAX and the land of the Incas (taken from Peru's very successful promotional marketing campaign.)
FLY2LIM From United States, joined May 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
Quoting LH459 (Reply 15): In the post 9/11 world, this is not possible at any US airport. Anyone touching US soil has to go through US immigration, regardless of their ultimate destination.
Thanks, I did not know that ...
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 17): This flight was very interesting as it shuttled both Peru's and Brazil's Japanese communities between South American and the land of the rising sun. This flight was also used a lot by the Peruvian community who had Varig or Aerolineas Argentinas as choices to fly between LAX and the land of the Incas (taken from Peru's very successful promotional marketing campaign.)
I took this flight many times, beginning with B707, and I think DC10, and finally 747. Never took it after that.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7586 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
Quoting Stirling (Reply 12): JL flight arrives LAX at 9:50am, leaves at 11:50am. (Plus the codeshare flights)
So it looks like both directions work with connections of 5:20 (EB) and 4:25 (WB)
Connection time is not excellent, but feasible. I think JAL could well codeshare this flight to both LIM and GRU.
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 13): What I meant was that it would be easier to connect to an LAX flight in LIM than going through, for example, Miami,
If pax want to avoid MIA they could connect in IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR, JFK, IAD, etc...so many options...
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 17): This flight was very interesting as it shuttled both Peru's and Brazil's Japanese communities between South American and the land of the rising sun.
Yes, but was also a very, very UNprofitable flight. That's why RG only kept GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT, a flight which after 09/11 and the new US TRANSIT VISA rules has also turned in RG's least profitable flight, with the vast majority of pax flying Brazil-Japan avoiding the US and flying instead via Europe or Canada.
Quoting LH459 (Reply 15): In the post 9/11 world, this is not possible at any US airport. Anyone touching US soil has to go through US immigration, regardless of their ultimate destination.
Some of them do. So far I can confirm that CC-CBJ, CC-CZT, CC-CZU, CC-CZV, and CC-CZW have them, and CC-CEK, CC-CEN, CC-CRG, CC-CRH don't. The others, I'm not sure about.
Aero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 981 times:
Great news for GRU and for LAN.
Some of the SCL-LIM-LAX frequencies are operated by a A340-300, so i assume traffic must be heavy.
Brazil is a priority for LAN`s network expansion. EZE-MIA, EZE-MAD too.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7918 posts, RR: 63 Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 913 times:
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Quoting Aero (Reply 21): Some of the SCL-LIM-LAX frequencies are operated by a A340-300, so i assume traffic must be heavy.
Brazil is a priority for LAN`s network expansion. EZE-MIA, EZE-MAD too.
Lan Argentina has also made a request to Brazilian CERNAI to run some routes to São Paulo/GRU and Rio de Janeiro/GIG. I don't have more info available now but i will try to obtain in the near future.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7918 posts, RR: 63 Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 817 times:
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TAM's new destination is also LIM.
Seems that 2006 begins with full activity:
Tam & Taca will start a code-share on the flight operated by Taca between Lima and São Paulo as well as some Tam domestic flights will receive a Taca number.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7586 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 754 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23): TAM's new destination is also LIM.
Correct, TAM formally announced LIM as its next destination, in codeshare with TACA. Any chance TAM will operate LIM with its own metal? Will TA offer JJ pax onward connections to other destinations?
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7918 posts, RR: 63 Reply 25, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 701 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 24): Correct, TAM formally announced LIM as its next destination, in codeshare with TACA. Any chance TAM will operate LIM with its own metal? Will TA offer JJ pax onward connections to other destinations?
Hello Hardi !
Tam still keeps approval on CERNAI to run 7x weekly flights between GRU and LIM. I believe this c/s will provide good knowledge on the route in order to improve for a own metal flight.
TA will not provide connections yet, but Tam keep allowing their customers to issue FF tickets to Lima, Quito and other Taca cities (including Central America and North America).
Interesting JJ move, seems to be a defensive one against Ocean Air and Lan Peru.
Felipe
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26 Hardiwv: Agree. I think TAM codeshare with TA is a reaction to LA's move on LIM-GRU market. Very sad that TAM always reacts, instead of taking a proactive sta
27 LipeGIG: Yes, and lost some time. I believe Tam keep some kind of fear after FRA, ZRH and MVD adventures when trying to open a new international route. SCL, a
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