Moparman From United States, joined Dec 2005, 411 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6662 times:
The A380 will not make its debut until it is FAA certified. It is my understanding that the slides from the upper deck need serious work, and that the certification will be withheld until the safety concerns have been addressed.
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StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
I doubt anyone would want to fly the A380 to the US, apart from Virgin Atlantic.
I think Asia / Europe / Australia is where this plane will mostly fly.
777's will suffice US demand from Europe, smaller and cheaper than a 747, longer range, Since Sept 11th and the foreign policy less people fly there.
The A350 / 787 will allow for smaller demand between smaller city pairs.
A380 is more to major euro / asia hubs where landing slots are harder to find, and daily demand out strips a current 747's capacity, but at the same time demand does not equal a 747 + 777.
Hence airlines like Qantas, Malaysia, Emirates, Singapore etc
Also Airports in Europe / Asia / Australia are more financially willing and prepared to risk expenditure for the plane.
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Jonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 448 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6539 times:
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2): I doubt anyone would want to fly the A380 to the US
Air France plans a New York route.
And don't forget the freighters: some of the UPS and Fedex A380F should be spotted. Also, maybe some A380F in Anchorage?
Jetskipper From United States, joined Jun 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6488 times:
As far as a US tour, I'm sure both Memphis and Louisville will be on the schedule do to the interest by both FedEx and UPS. I would have to assume it would also visit the headquarters for the US majors (IAH-CO, ORD-UA, DFW-AA, MSP-NW, DAL-WN...Just Kidding!) for marketing purposes.
PRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 738 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6427 times:
Not only VS but AF and LH will most likely fly the A380 to the US. MIAs new terminal "J" will be A380 ready. Rumor is these 3 airlines that fly to MIA will bring the A380 in a few years.
AMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6334 times:
Quoting Moparman (Reply 1): The A380 will not make its debut until it is FAA certified. It is my understanding that the slides from the upper deck need serious work, and that the certification will be withheld until the safety concerns have been addressed.
Dullesguy From United States, joined Jul 2000, 246 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6140 times:
Hey all,
Sorry I didnt word my question as specific as I should've. I'm asking mainly from a spotters point of view..i want to grab a great shot of this plane with my 300D to get this in my records. Just wondering when the A380 will first come into US territory and where..be it test flight, experiment, PAX, cargo whatever.
thanks for all the replys.
"..the joy of the Lord is your strength" Nehemiah 8:10
747LUVR From United States, joined Jul 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6090 times:
it's also my understanding from what i've read in the Orlando Sentinel , our major newspaper here, that VS will be flying their 380's into MCO from LGW. Runways are certified for the 380 at this time....
MD80Nut From United States, joined Jul 2003, 827 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2): I doubt anyone would want to fly the A380 to the US, apart from Virgin Atlantic.
Qantas is planning to use the A380 on it's routes from Melbourne and Sidney to Los Angeles. Air France and Lufthansa have both indicated they plan to use the A380 to Miami. Wouldn't be surprised to seem them fly it to JFK, too.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5826 times:
Quoting Moparman (Reply 1): The A380 will not make its debut until it is FAA certified
The A380(Pax version) does NOT NEED FAA certification until and unless a US carrier orders it, which does not seem likley in the near future. It will be certified by the European JAA (Joint Airworthiness Authority) as the country of manfacture's certifying authority (exactly as the FAA does for Boeings). Once this is issued any European airline can operate it to the US. Other countries can then certify it for their airlines to operate to the US.
You will see a QF A380 at LAX from first half of 07. (It will be certified by Australia's CASA on the basis of the JAA certification, it is irrelevant wether or not the FAA certify it.) If this will be the first to the US I dont know, but it is announced that QFs first A380 route will be MEL-LAX, followed by SYD-LAX and their first deliveries are currently due in March 07.
PVD757 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 3227 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5761 times:
My bet will that it also goes to BOS. In PVD, there is a rumor that FedEx wants to replace two MD-11s that they have leaving within a half hour of each other up there.
GRRTVC From United States, joined Sep 2003, 265 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5732 times:
My understanding is the A380F is to be making a visit to the US late this year or first of next for FedEx. MEM, TYS, and ANC are supposed to see it. At least that is what I have heard from the ANC folks.
AS907 From United States, joined Sep 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
Since I live a couple of miles away from ANC... I will definately be over there to see it. Wish I had nice camera to take some pictures with that A.net would put on. I just hope it lands on 14!
APFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5501 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14): The A380(Pax version) does NOT NEED FAA certification until and unless a US carrier orders it, which does not seem likley in the near future.
It might not need FAA certification (im not 100% sure on this), but the FAA can certainly deny it landing/overflight rights if they don't agree with the JAA's certification of it.
Bcbhokie From United States, joined Sep 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4693 times:
Not like this will actually happen, so it's barely worth discussing, but what the hey --- if the combined US/HP were ever interested in the A380, would any of their hubs (CLT, PHL, or PHX) be able to accomodate it? I know LAS came right out and said they had no interest in dealing with the A380 recently.
It doesn't make sense for US, but I'm curious if these airports have the capacity at all... you can envision an occasional need for very large cargo at any of the three if not passenger service.
Glacote From France, joined Jun 2005, 402 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4478 times:
Quoting Moparman (Reply 1): It is my understanding that the slides from the upper deck need serious work, and that the certification will be withheld until the safety concerns have been addressed.
Woow - that's news! Do you mean that Goodrich couldn't live up to their advertised specifications? Would you have a source/link/runour for this?
Iwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4424 times:
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2): A380 is more to major euro / asia hubs where landing slots are harder to find, and daily demand out strips a current 747's capacity, but at the same time demand does not equal a 747 + 777.
I'm pretty sure that some of the "landing slot constrained asia hubs" also have flights to the US... Why would't they want to utilize them to/from the US?
Quoting Moparman (Reply 1): It is my understanding that the slides from the upper deck need serious work,
Do you have a source for this? What is the issue? Are people afraid of the heights?
BTW: when is the emergency evacuation scheduled. Shouldn't it have happened already seeing as EIS is basically just around the corner? I would guess that you can't start installing the interior until you are certain that it will be certified to evacuate the planned number of pax on each deck.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3864 times:
Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 18): but the FAA can certainly deny it landing/overflight rights if they don't agree with the JAA's certification of it.
Not without breaking international treaties the US has signed it can't. Under the Chicargo Convention 1944 the US (& all other signatories) have agreeded to accept the certification of aircraft by the relevant authority in the country of registration and in return the US's (& all other signatories) certification for their aircraft is accepted by other countries, for the purposes of International Civil Aviation (ICA)
If a real problem with is found with the aircraft during certification the JAA will withhold certification until it is fixed. Is the A380 pax version even being submitted for FAA certification, yet? With no US airline orders it is not really required. The freighter obviously will be.
In the unlikley event of a real disagreement over certification, it means US airlines can not operate the aircraft, obviously not something Airbus will want and it will do its best to satisfy all relevant authorities.
APFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3831 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22): Not without breaking international treaties the US has signed it can't. Under the Chicargo Convention 1944 the US (& all other signatories) have agreeded to accept the certification of aircraft by the relevant authority in the country of registration and in return the US's (& all other signatories) certification for their aircraft is accepted by other countries, for the purposes of International Civil Aviation (ICA)
So then what ground would European Authorities have the right to ban airlines from Onur Air from landing in their countries if the airline was certified by their home authority.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3701 times:
Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 23): Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22):
Not without breaking international treaties the US has signed it can't. Under the Chicargo Convention 1944 the US (& all other signatories) have agreeded to accept the certification of aircraft by the relevant authority in the country of registration and in return the US's (& all other signatories) certification for their aircraft is accepted by other countries, for the purposes of International Civil Aviation (ICA)
So then what ground would European Authorities have the right to ban airlines from Onur Air from landing in their countries if the airline was certified by their home authority.
Good Question! Basically they don't have the authority! What is happening, in effect, in such cases is that the authority doing the banning is saying that the certification system in the aircrafts country of registration has broken down and that country is not complying with their treaty obligations. You will find that in the first instance the certifying authority in the country of registration is contact and requested to fix the problem, if they are unable/unwilling to do so most authorities will take unilateral action, such as the banning of Onur Air, BUT notice that all such events, involve a first world country banning a third world airline AND doing so makes you liable to retalliation from the other country. Most third world countries cannot retaliate very well.
Between first world countries it is not done, partly because retalliation can work. An example is the inicident with the BA B744 that had an engine failure at the top of the climb out of SFO (or LAX?). It continued on to the UK, some FAA morone made some nasty comments and there was a bit of arguement back and forward and then it faded all away. Even if the FAA thought it had a legimitate complaint, it was not going to take on the UK, they could bite back.
That why even if the FAA has problems with the A380s certification, it will not ban the aircraft being operated into the US by non US airlines, if it is certified by the JAA/country of registration. US airline are a completely different matter.
29 A319XFW: The A380F won't be ready that soon will it? The first freighter is around the MSN 30 or 40 mark, so I can't see 30 odd pax versions flying withing th
30 A319XFW: Surely aircraft certification and airline certification are different things?
31 Glideslope: Manufactured to design specs set forth by Airbus.
32 RichardPrice: Wrong, when the US president, with the consent ot two thirds of all Senetors sitting, accepts and signs a treaty, it becomes law of the land (and the
33 RichardPrice: Yes, there is a huge difference. This is why the 727 that was hijacked by Afghani asylum seekers in 2000 was refused permission to fly back to the op
34 OldAeroGuy: Airbus and Boeing usually certify their airplanes to both EASA and FAA regulations on the same day. This makes sense since the regulations are essent
35 GuitrThree: TYS? Really? Knoxville TN? Why on earth will Knoxville be seeing the A380? Not that I'm complaining, I'd go over there to see it gladly, but why Knox
36 Ptharris: And do you think our government is afraid of breaking treaties? Pfft...
37 Poitin: Several days ago, I read that the testing of the upper slides had to be postponed because the wind whipped them around. They have got to be 20 meters
38 Glacote: They are not banning certified aircrafts. They are denying landing to some airlines on the basis of weak maintainance disrespecting the certified air
39 Glacote: They are not banning certified aircrafts. They are denying landing to some airlines on the basis of weak maintainance disrespecting the certified air
40 MarkHKG: If anyone does find the article about the A380 U/D slide need to re-design, do post it. This is what another article says: http://news.monstersandcrit
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