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LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore  
User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11148 times:

LH will bring their new A340-600 (delivery starts in September 2006) on the routes from Frankfurt to Chicago (Flight LH 432 daily starting 15SEP06) and to Bangalore (Flight LH 754 daily starting 18OCT06). Service to Chicago ends to the end of summer timetable (in winter 06/07 only daily 744 service LH 430 as usual), service to Bangalore will continue in the winter timetable 06/07 (also daily).


Flight details:
LH 432 FRA-ORD 17:00-19:10
LH 433 ORD-FRA 21:40-13:05+
LH 754 FRA-BLR 11:15-23:45
LH 755 BLR-FRA 01:35-07:35

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9635 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

I had a bit of trouble trying to understand what you wrote, but I am actually surprised that Lufthansa is operating the A340-600 to Chicago. From what I understand, there is no first class cabin on the A346s for LH. I would have thought that Chicago is a high enough yielding destination to warrent a first class cabin. Also a number of people connect from United Airlines flights to Lufthansa.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11055 times:

OK, an elementary question.
On a route like FRA-ORD, what benefit does the 346 have over the 343?
Besides obviously more pax?

Where does a 346 slot between the 340 and 747 fleets?
Range?
Pax?
Cargo?



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10979 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
. I would have thought that Chicago is a high enough yielding destination to warrent a first class cabin.

It sure is... The new A346s will have 8F 60C 238M.


User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10880 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
It sure is... The new A346s will have 8F 60C 238M.

A good choice of LH put put 8F class seats into their A346. I read that their first class bookings increased by 20% from JAN-JUN 2005, finally atleast with LH F class is expanding again!

cheers, Konstantin G


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10849 times:

IB has occasionally sends their A346 to ORD, there is a slight problem with the length of the plane however during the taxiway.........


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10763 times:

I am stunned by LH's ability to profitably manage, what, 4 different fleets of A340-600s?

N


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10609 times:

Can BLR take a A346? BOM was having problems handling VS A346s.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

That is awesome news for the Banglorians, but as i have read the loads on the BLR-FRA sector can easily handle a daily 744.

Maybe Nimish/Himmat etc... can confirm this


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10483 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 7):
Can BLR take a A346? BOM was having problems handling VS A346s.

I would think not, it might be a tight squeeze, but then again, it can take a 744, so a 346 won't be too bad, I just feel sorry for the poor sods who would be sitting all the way at the end of Y class.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10280 times:
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is the F in the A346 getting the same seats as the 744s?

anyone know how many LD3 containers the downstairs toilets displace??

[Edited 2006-01-28 15:11:36]

User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19227 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Cargo?

The 346 can actually carry more cargo than the 744...



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3523 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9195 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
The 346 can actually carry more cargo than the 744...

Is this still true for LH's A346 with lower lobe lavs? They displace a lot of LD3's.



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User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
I am stunned by LH's ability to profitably manage, what, 4 different fleets of A340-600s?

I've read on here that the reason for the 3 different layouts of LH's 340-600's is that they can easily put more/less C-class seats in them. So they can more accurately meet exact bookings for different flights.
Anyone here who knows how this is being done?

Leif


User currently offlineEyeonthesky17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

The FRABLR flight has needed additional C class capacity for some time now. Good to see LH answering the call. I wish we had an 346 out at JFK. That woudl be quite a sight.

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8680 times:

Quoting Eyeonthesky17 (Reply 14):
The FRABLR flight has needed additional C class capacity for some time now. Good to see LH answering the call. I wish we had an 346 out at JFK. That woudl be quite a sight.

Same, i did that flight last year on the LH 744 in F, but the A346 is not a welcome aircraft in JFK because of taxiway problems...


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8565 times:
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Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 12):
Is this still true for LH's A346 with lower lobe lavs? They displace a lot of LD3's.

A346 can carry 42 LD3s, 744 32, It looks to me like the lavs should displace at least 6-8 LD3s as each is 60in , take or leave a little, wide and the lavs look like they need about the equivalent of 6 rows of seats.But anyone know the actual numbers???


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3523 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 16):
A346 can carry 42 LD3s, 744 32, It looks to me like the lavs should displace at least 6-8 LD3s as each is 60in , take or leave a little, wide and the lavs look like they need about the equivalent of 6 rows of seats.But anyone know the actual numbers???

You also need to account for the stairway and the galley stowage.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8409 times:
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Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 17):
You also need to account for the stairway and the galley stowage.

What I did was measure the length of the entire lower galley/lav area on LHs seatplan and assuming its drawn to same scale as the cabin, and the stairs are the same size on both so it probably is, you need about 6 rows of seats.


User currently onlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8374 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 15):
but the A346 is not a welcome aircraft in JFK because of taxiway problems...

Not true. Iberia, Cathay Pacific, and Iberia operate the A340-600 regulary into JFK.


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Apparently LH does not operate the A340-600 into JFK because it does not have an F cabin and there is a large F class demand into JFK.

I had heard that the A340-600 was not a welcome aircraft at ORD because of taxi way problems. The first A340-600 to land at ORD was an Iberia A340-600 from MAD I think last year. Since then Iberia has operated the ocasional A340-600 into ORD and this summer it is scheduled regulary.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

The Iberia flight is scheduled regularly and apparently, the Lufthansa flight is only scheduled until October or so. Why is this? Also, are there seat maps for the new A340-600 with F, and will they have new F seats? Lastly, will Iberia have the new Business Plus seats or the old ones?

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
I would think not, it might be a tight squeeze, but then again, it can take a 744, so a 346 won't be too bad,

The A346 is quite a bit LONGER than a 744.....



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 8):
That is awesome news for the Banglorians, but as i have read the loads on the BLR-FRA sector can easily handle a daily 744.

Lots of empty seats in recent months on the BLR-FRA sector. Late last year several flights even had empty J class cabins. This from people who flew several trips with LH, YYZ-FRA-BLR-FRA-YYZ in Nov. and Dec.

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User currently onlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 20):
Lastly, will Iberia have the new Business Plus seats or the old ones?

On Iberia's current fleet of 10 A340-600s the new Business Plus seats are installed.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3231 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 22):
Lots of empty seats in recent months on the BLR-FRA sector. Late last year several flights even had empty J class cabins. This from people who flew several trips with LH, YYZ-FRA-BLR-FRA-YYZ in Nov. and Dec.

And I'm really glad about that. With the additional services from BA/AF and other international carriers, LH's free run at BLR is finally at an end  Smile

I'm now able to get a confirmed seat on LH at rather short notice, which is great for those doing the travelling!

That being said, I'm kind of surprised about the 346 in BLR - given the relatively small size of the airport and the taxiways. However, BLR is quite capable of 747s (at least 1-2 cargo 747's every day), so hopefully the 346 should not be a problem. It will also mean more capacity on BLR-Europe non-stop - while AI is still busy adding zero services from BLR  sarcastic !



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25 Alitalia744 : It could have something to do with parking issues at T1....vs. taxiway problems.
26 Stealthpilot : As mentioned earlier, the a346 is longer and demands bigger parking slots/taxiways. The ability to handle a 744 does not mean it can automatically ha
27 AlitaliaMD11 : No airline at Terminal 1 flies the A340-600 into JFK.
28 ChiGB1973 : This is awesome. I have yet to see a 346 at ORD. With the Privatair service, do they really need any more upgrade space? Granted, Privatair is busines
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