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Impressive A319 Takeoff Video  
User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14156 times:

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/A319_Short_Takeoff.wmv

Almost looks like they're not going to make it... but when they open those throttles, whoosh!

(Apologies if this has been posted before, I did a search and didn't get any results)


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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14129 times:

That's some G's right there, wish they would give rides lol.

User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14095 times:

I think that was an airshow demo; remember reading that somewhere before.

User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14067 times:

Man! How do they do this stuff? Impressive video, thanks a lot!


DEC
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14061 times:

I saw this video a couple of years ago. Pretty impressive, but not really surprising.

The A319 does have a pretty high power-to-weight ratio.

The fact that it was empty and built up enough speed makes such a suddenly steep climb possible.



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User currently offlineJpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14046 times:

With that kind of climb it must have been all economy class...  Smile

User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13945 times:

WOW!!!! Now that bird climed like a rocket!!!
Thanks for sharing.
Adam



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13907 times:

I have seen an ATR-42 do that before at APG, which was specatular! But I am sure not as awesome as an A319 doing it!


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13882 times:

Wonder what an empty B752 or B762 would do in that airshow demo......oh narrow body what about the B737???


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13872 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
Wonder what an empty B752 or B762 would do in that airshow demo

Like it was not even trying... and unlike the A319 it would not drop off but keep climbing like a rocket. Most any empty airliner will climb just like that....



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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13861 times:

If only airlines started doing this whilst the aircraft was in service. Would this actually be allowed? It'd defiantly stop those annoying mums & kids from getting up and going to the toilet during take-off. Big grin

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

[Like it was not even trying... and unlike the A319 it would not drop off but keep climbing like a rocket.[/quote]

Exactly........and probably out climb the bus even with more than 3/4 MTOW onboard.



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User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13716 times:

[Over the Intercom]

*DING DONG*

"Passengers can now remove themselves from the back of the aircraft and return to thier seats please. Thank you and enjoy the rest of the flight."

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineVegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13574 times:

I've always wondered why this aircraft type does the following:

Just after the plane lifts from the ground, the nose sinks back towards the ground and then recovers. It is quite noticeable in the video. I don't see this happen with Boeing 737 aircraft...anyone care to speculate?


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

ahhh... let's see what that "NITRO" button does


rolf
User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12619 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 10):
If only airlines started doing this whilst the aircraft was in service. Would this actually be allowed? It'd defiantly stop those annoying mums & kids from getting up and going to the toilet during take-off.

It won't be able to do that. And luckily it won't, as there are some known (annoying) bugs that can occur when the aircraft climbs like a rocket.... 

[Edited 2006-01-28 18:07:10]

User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12467 times:

How did they do that?
1. No passengers, so very low payload, probably minimum fuel.
2. Full power takeoff, flaps 1+F, trim +3.0 or so.
3. On rotation, bury the nose to kill the climb, speed up, clean up, then at the appropriate speed, yank back on the stick.
4. No meal before the flight, lest you wish to chuck on the panel  Sad

The earlier comment that the 319 has a high power to weight ratio is very true. It is one of the reasons that it is being used at more airports where it has not been used before, e.g. Florence, Italy. Before AZ and Meridiana started their 319 operations there, the largest jet flown into FLR was an Avro.

On a short hop like FLR-MXP, there is not a large fuel requirement, so you can fill it up to max payload (only about 110 seats, if that) and no cargo. Meridiana can take the 319 as far as London without much of a problem.

my two cents.
baw716



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12378 times:

Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 13):
Just after the plane lifts from the ground, the nose sinks back towards the ground and then recovers. It is quite noticeable in the video. I don't see this happen with Boeing 737 aircraft...anyone care to speculate?

In that video, the aircraft was demoing at a local airshow, so the nose dip in this case is exactly what the pilot wants - to display the aircraft at a low height parallel with the ground before he reaches the end of the crowd line and performs a dramatic turn away.


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12324 times:

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 16):
On a short hop like FLR-MXP, there is not a large fuel requirement, so you can fill it up to max payload (only about 110 seats, if that) and no cargo. Meridiana can take the 319 as far as London without much of a problem.

The Alitalia A319's have got 126 seats.
http://corporate.alitalia.com/en/fleet/a319.htm


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12069 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Like it was not even trying... and unlike the A319 it would not drop off but keep climbing like a rocket. Most any empty airliner will climb just like that....



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 11):
Exactly........and probably out climb the bus even with more than 3/4 MTOW onboard.

You're both overestimating the power of the B752 and B762. They're great aircraft and I won't take that away from them but the A319 is certainly no slouch.

Looking at thrust to weight ratios at operating empty weight, the A319 has a ratio of 1:1.87, the B752 is 1:1.6 and the B762 is 1:1.86. Bearing in mind that the A319s wing and aerodynamics (its one of the most slippery jets in the air) are years in advance of either the B752/762 there would be very little in it if they were all to perform this sort of display. In fact the B762 would be left behind due to its inertia.

Responding to IAHFLYR's above comment. In operation at MTOW, things are different still. A319 ratio 1:3, B752 also 1:3, B762 1:3.125. The A319 and B752 are able to climb at roughly the same rate, The B762 lags behind slightly. So your comment about a 3/4 loaded B752 or B762 outclimbing an empty A319 was maybe a bit of an exaggeration.  

Like I say, this is not A vs B. I've flown in all of these aircraft and love them all equally. Some people are under the impression that Airbus climb performance could be better and in the case of the widebodies they are correct. However, the A319 is an entirely different animal and boasts excellent climb performance. The biggest problem is slowing the darn things down. The A319 has a very hard time descending and slowing at the same time.

Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 13):
I've always wondered why this aircraft type does the following:

Just after the plane lifts from the ground, the nose sinks back towards the ground and then recovers. It is quite noticeable in the video. I don't see this happen with Boeing 737 aircraft...anyone care to speculate?

This was the pilot's intention. The A320 series have auto-trim in manual flight. You're far less likely to see any sort of nose dip/rise after takeoff on an A319 than you are on a B737 with manual elevator trim.

[Edited 2006-01-28 18:41:55]

[Edited 2006-01-28 18:43:59]


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User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Good post WAH64D, thanks for the numbers!


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User currently offlineByronsterk From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

I can't download the video Firefox says the url could not be found, do you have another way I can see it? (looking at the reactions it's a good video!)


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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10231 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 19):
This was the pilot's intention. The A320 series have auto-trim in manual flight. You're far less likely to see any sort of nose dip/rise after takeoff on an A319 than you are on a B737 with manual elevator trim.

Great post WAH64D.
Furthermore, I think the pilot's intention in this video was to demonstrate Airbus FBW and associated flight control laws.

BTW, I've seen an empty A346 doing similiar impressive take-offs.
-Milan320



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2654 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 15):
And luckily it won't, as there are some known (annoying) bugs that can occur when the aircraft climbs like a rocket...

Now you're gonna have to tell us what they are... c'mon don't leave us in the dark like that. lol



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 23):
Now you're gonna have to tell us what they are... c'mon don't leave us in the dark like that. lol

The pilots and operators will have them through SIL's and the likes! Big grin


25 AndrewUber : Does anyone have another link? Or can the file be re-posted? The link isn't working! Thanks!
26 AndrewUber : Edit - my post showed up twice![Edited 2006-01-28 23:17:06]
27 Widebody : Just got it, link working again.
28 Vegas005 : Ok guys. Interesting answer but I don't buy it. I fly 1 to 2 times per week out of Zurich so I get a chance to watch a lot of A319/320/321 takeoffs a
29 Amy : No it does not. Really. It doesn't. However when it's empty, it can do amazing stuff like that. It's also possible that that was an ACJ which DOES ha
30 Widebody : It looks like it's at an airshow, therefore it's safe to say it was empty. The low level flight after take-off could only happen during an airshow or
31 Post contains links Tom_eddf : No ACJ... this was a regular A319-112 equipped with ordinary cfm56-5B6/P engines rated @ ~23.5klbs. Aircraft was in Eurowings colors, now operated by
32 BAW716 : A319XFW Thank you for the correction. I made a guess... I did get the rest correct, yes? Danke schoen baw716
33 SX36 : Looks like a classic soft field takeoff to me. Keep it rolling around the turn, add full power, rotate just above stall speed, fly in ground effect an
34 TAP340 : Tipical airshow operation. I've seen a A330 perform a similiar stunt at a Portuguese Airshow, followed by a slight stall (accidental) or not. Great vi
35 Post contains images Rdwelch : Followed by a barrel roll and the problem might come to a halt.
36 IAHFLYR : Not much of an exaggeration but thanks for the numbers....the 762 info....wow!
37 RyGuy : I WISH I WAS ON THAT ONE! Wow that looks amazing!
38 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Oh, that's nothing. You should see what a NW DC9 can do when it wants to. Mark
39 WAH64D : The numbers are above and speak for themselves. Its power to weight ratio is not far off that of a B752. I flew LHR-GVA on a BA A319 last year, it wa
40 BA757 : It's a pretty good feeling too - full aircraft, sit at the end of the runway, throttle up while on the breaks, then let go, that really does throw yo
41 CalAir : I flew BZZ-MAN on an FJE 757 when we flew military charters to BSR via AKT. With no PAX or cargo we took about 15-20 seconds takeoff roll and climbed
42 Post contains images RICARIZA : Great video.. thanks for sharing... It would have been the ride of my life.. hehe (with pampers on, of course)
43 Post contains images OPNLguy : I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but take another few looks at the video... In particular, look at the portion just after going past th
44 Rolfen : It looks to me as if those small aircrafts are nearer then the a319
45 Post contains images A340600 : Really, odd, I thought all A319's took off like that
46 OPNLguy : The first one you see briefly once the "A319" passes the ILS glideslope antenna, maybe, but the others don't appear that way, not to me anyways...
47 Post contains images Columba : It is real, the video was taken during an airshow in Friedrichshafen/Germany
48 777 : ...I experienced a test flight with an empty 767-300ER some months ago... The test was to perform two CAT-IIIB approaches with an automatic Go Around
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