Reno_air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
I have just read in a magazine that Jet Airways wants to join Qualiflyer but cannot do so because the Indian Government forbids domestic carriers from joining alliances. Will they do so?
Tca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
Reno-Air,
where did you find this information ?? I wonder why
Qualiflyer would accept a domestic carrier while it could
be more interesting to have strong links with Air India
that can provide code-shared flights from/to Europe,
Asia, Africa and Americas !! The key of code-sharing
is to put your own clients on an aircraft of a
partner, how could Swissair puts its clients in flights
to Bombay for example while Jet Arways doesn't serve
nor Brussels neither Zurich or Lisbon !! In the same
way, do you think the Qualiflyer clients have a big
demand for indian domestic destinations ?? are you
kidding us ??
Jet Airways won't never join Qualiflyer mainly because they are not interesting while Air India is !!
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
The difference between Air India and Jet Airways is that Jet is a professionally run carrier with Modern planes, an impeccable safety record, superb in-flight service, and Air India is a shoddy state-run, labor strife ridden mess. Swissair have daily flights into both Bombay and Delhi and could run a seamless service into other indian cities via the qualifyer alliance.
A330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
Jet Airways is an ideal partner for the Qualiflier Group.
Swissair/Sabena is looking for a DOMESTIC partner in India to feed their flights to Europe, and to disperse passengers coming from Europe.
SN will offer daily flights to Madras in the future, as all the flights to MAA are completely full! India is a goldmine for airlines...
Tca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
Jaysit,
Maybe Jet Airways is better managed than AI but
believe me or not Qualiflyer is not interested by
indian domestic airliners...!! For sure they have daily
flights to India but these lines are not the best part
of their market compared to USA for example...how
many Swissair/Sabena/TAP/etc..clients fly to India
each year ?? ok they can come from other parts of
the world but the demand is not growing up in front
the offer so no need to have a partner in India !!
be more realistic in front of the market !! why don't
they have agreement with Jet Blue of NYC or
US Airways while they have more traffic with USA ??
do you think India is their best market so it worth to
invest there...??...c'mon Jaysit...
India is not the targeted market of Qualiflyer...it should
be better "international" routes and they are looking
now for a "international" partner and not a domestic
one..I mean mainly an asian partner...!!
Tca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
hi A330,
So is this information true ?? damn....it's very strange
to hear about that.....I know India could be a goldmine
but how many europeans fly to this "continent" in face
of other destinations ?? would it be more clever to
code-share with domestic US and asian partners ????
Anyway...maybe I was wrong with qualiflier....ouppss...
and apologizes / ....
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
The size of the market is not the only criteria by which airlines are choosen or inducted into alliances. Mexicana of Mexico is part of the Star Alliance and they are primarily a domestic/regional carrier.
As far as traffic into India is concerned, Swissair and Sabena together have 18 flights into India, which represents a 200% increase in total pax since 1995. It isn't Swissair's largest market by far, but it is an important market. Additionally, European carriers carry a sizeable percentage of the business traffic to and from India, so Business/First Class yields are high. With Air India up for grabs, it will undoubtedly be inducted into a large alliance as well, so perhaps both SR and Jet may benefit from this alliance.
The absence of major US carriers in the SR group's qualifyer alliance rests on other factors. JetBlue for instance does not offer business class on its flights and is limited in its operations. Business class fares in India on the other hand are high - and very often sold out.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5534 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
India is a heavy increasing market, it is becoming more and more important. As I know the daily SR flights between ZRH and Mumbai and ZRH and Dehli have a very good load factor.
To TCA256: Swissair and Sabena do have codeshare partners in the U.S.: American Airlines (from ZRH soon 80 destinations within the states) and US Airways.
SR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1612 times:
So qualiflyer needs another partner in India....I think Jet Airways is just perfect. Swissair and Sabena fly from europe to India (BOM;DEL;MADRAS) and Jet Airways makes the inland flights. For me this would be a interesting, good way for Qualiflyer of serving this HUGE country (more than 1'000'000'000 inhabitant!).
SR3496
Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1457 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
Don't count on AF getting that stake!! There are many interested airlines out there including SQ; VS; BA and possibly, LH and SR!! Unfortunately (and this is where DL really shot itself in the foot), AF is not in a strong alliance. SQ would dearly love that stake =- they've been interested in running an Indian airline to complement their own Indian routes for a long time now.
Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
Yah, they have a billion people, but the majority cant afford to fly, let alone take a long train ride! The middle class is about 250 million, and not even all of them can afford to fly.
Debn From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 89 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1595 times:
It's true that most indians can't afford to fly. But, if you look at the rate at which indian computer professionals floading the whole world, there is a need to double the number of flights every 2 years, just to meet the demand.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
AF has a slim-to-none chance of securing the 25% interest in AI that the Indian govt. will permit a foreign carrier to hold.
With AI all but ready to sign a lease deal with SQ for 6 A310s, 2 747-300s and 1 747-400, the ties between AI and the SQ group of carriers (VS and NZ included) will be strengthened even more.
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