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CO Expansion?  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

I was wondering when all the work is done at CLE, will CO add some new routes from CLE? Maybe connect the dots a bit or add some more turboprop routes? Also what new routes will CO add from LAX to Mexico on COEX? Any CO route rumors, anything in the pipeline?

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

Anybody know anything about what's going on at CO?


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User currently onlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4364 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

Pretty quiet lately, no new routes announced since Copenhagen and Cologne, still hoping for Shanghai next year with the arival of 2 more 777's, maybe more?

You might see something happen after/ if the flight attenants ratify their new contract and we can get a better idea of our future cost structure.

We need more widebodies yesterday!



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

And how have their new international routes been performing?

I know that IAH-EZE was a major success from day one, but EWR-DEL and EWR-PEK have gotten off to a somewhat slow start. What about ARN, TXL, BRS, BFS, etc.?


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

So far CO has made very few announcements, but it looks like they're boosting flights into IAH starting next month, mostly with RJ's. No new markets beyond EZE and a couple of new points in the Caribbean. As for Newark and Cleveland, the numbers may be up, but not by very much.

The international passenger counts out of IAH have been knocked down following Hurricane Wilma's visit to the Yucatan. Numbers were flat in November. But it seems like CAL should be resuming the Mexican campaign; there are a half-dozen cities that could support service to.

There's a presentation to investors on CAL's website the talks about this year's planned capacity increases in percentage terms, but no big market announcements. Don't expect CAL to make any major additions to its domestic route system.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 4):
But it seems like CAL should be resuming the Mexican campaign; there are a half-dozen cities that could support service to.

You mean new cities in Mexico? I thought CO already flew into all of them!


User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 2):
Pretty quiet lately, no new routes announced since Copenhagen and Cologne, still hoping for Shanghai next year with the arival of 2 more 777's, maybe more?

Maybe pick up some 777LRS........ Big grin


User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

Quote:
EWR-DEL and EWR-PEK have gotten off to a somewhat slow start.

I somehow predict this is only going to get better...EWR-DEL is the only non-stop from the east coast...and If I was an American businessman trying to go to China from NY area, and given a choice between Air China's JFK-PEK and CO's EWR-PEK it would be CO hands down.

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
I was wondering when all the work is done at CLE, will CO add some new routes from CLE? Maybe connect the dots a bit or add some more turboprop routes?

I think you might see some prop expansion in '06, and, after the Concourse C apron project is done-presumably by the end of this year, you might see some RJ expansion, and maybe even a bit of mainline expansion.

There is the possibility that Regions Air may be added as a CO Connection carrier out of CLE to places like Jamestown, NW, Morgantown, WV, Marietta, OH/Parkersburg, VA, and maybe some more routes. There was a thread on Regions Air trying to tie in with CO on here not long ago.

I've also heard that Commutair wants to add capacity out of CLE-even a rumor about a 50-seat turboprop that could open some new markets, or maybe replace some RJ markets.

And the new Mayor of CLE, Frank Jackson, has asked CO to consider CLE-AMS, at least seasonally, which would be a logical tie-in with SkyTeam in Europe.

Nothing concrete on any of this, but at least there's some talk out there.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Regarding domestic service with RJ's out of IAH.....

CO should reinstate their third BFL flight, add FAT-IAH, and BUR-IAH. They should even attempt IAH-LGB (if slots could be had). I know CO likes to emphasize service to LAX, however I think service to the above markets would diversify CO's presence in California.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Since DL is initiating TLV service, CO will now have a U.S. carrier competing with it to Israel. Hence CO needs to finally stop delaying, and initiate Moscow service. DL needs the competition there.

User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Any chance of IAH-SCL?

That would fill a big hole in their growing Latin American network.



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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3579 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5106 times:

Rumor on the streets here in Boston is that CO is not happy with Colgan flying out of IAH and is possibly looking for someone to take over....

I am thinking possibly Cape Air with ATR42's, which (we) have been successful with out in Guam thus far...

It was just a rumor and I dont know the truth in it.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5093 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
I know that IAH-EZE was a major success from day one,

Any Buenos Aires flight launched in December is going to fill. The real test will come in April, when LF's to Argentina traditionally start to drop off very heavily.



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User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
the new Mayor of CLE, Frank Jackson, has asked CO to consider CLE-AMS, at least seasonally, which would be a logical tie-in with SkyTeam in Europe.

That's good to know. I believe I like him, he must recognize CO's value to CLE...


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 12):
Rumor on the streets here in Boston is that CO is not happy with Colgan flying out of IAH and is possibly looking for someone to take over....

Love that rumor....Cape Air is a good fit in FL markets they are used and the Guam operations are good so the rumor mill says. Would be nice to get SkyWest back with their E120's at IAH, that was a great fit. Colgan....SF34.....mmmm



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 4):
So far CO has made very few announcements, but it looks like they're boosting flights into IAH starting next month, mostly with RJ's. No new markets beyond EZE and a couple of new points in the Caribbean. As for Newark and Cleveland, the numbers may be up, but not by very much.

Looks like CRW is getting its morning departure and evening arrival back to/from IAH next month.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4738 times:
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we probably haven't made any new announcements b/c of the FA's.......a lot does depend on their willingness to come to the other side of the table like the rest of us.


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 10):
Since DL is initiating TLV service, CO will now have a U.S. carrier competing with it to Israel. Hence CO needs to finally stop delaying, and initiate Moscow service. DL needs the competition there.

I agree. But how much do you think CO is going to be affected by DL's service to TLV ??


User currently offlineWargo7772 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

Quoting CB777 (Reply 6):
Maybe pick up some 777LRS

They don't need the -200LRS. The -200ERS work fine for them. Don't expect any US carriers to order the -200LR anytime soon.


User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quote:
I agree. But how much do you think CO is going to be affected by DL's service to TLV ??

Quite a bit I think...Now a passenger traveling west of EWR/ATL line from TLV will have an option of flying Delta into ATL and connect to their final destinations...include Florida and the south as well...and vice versa.

TokyoNarita.

[Edited 2006-01-29 05:06:08]

User currently offlineSdkualeb From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Pretty soon you will see CO expand there hubs to DEN,ORD,IAD,LAX,SFO

User currently offlineFlyguy595 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

Quoting Sdkualeb (Reply 21):
Pretty soon you will see CO expand there hubs to DEN,ORD,IAD,LAX,SFO

Sounds like United's Network, any connection I have seen lots of speculation minus the entire 737 fleet diference of a merger or something along those lines it would be interesting to see


User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

I was talking to a CO flight attendant the other day.... this is old news.... this "merger" talk has been around for years at least since 2001. Not going to happen IMO.

User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
but EWR-DEL and EWR-PEK have gotten off to a somewhat slow start.

- Is this because CO lacks a significant codeshare partner in each of India and China to feed the flights on the DEL and PEK ends with connecting pax?

I really think that the major barrier to CO continuing its enormous international growth is the lack of long haul aircraft such as the 763ER, 764ER and the 772ER/LR.



--cslusarc from YWG
25 Soundsfishy : I had the understanding that DEL is doing pretty well and the route is already profitable. No question about it.
26 Mbm3 : Beyond the new routes already announce, I have been told that there will most likely not be any new destinations from EWR to Europe. Any expansion wil
27 MasseyBrown : It's interesting to me that Regions is begging CO for a codeshare, and bringing captive EAS cities with it, while CO seems in no rush to agree. I'm n
28 Klwright69 : Really?? Please elaborate...
29 ConcordeBoy : To clarify, it's only the -200s which will have that configuration. The 753s are getting an expanded premium cabin, but it's just domestic-F
30 Mbm3 : I was told that CO does not feel that a merger makes good business sense as it is too difficult to merge all of the systems and personnel. It was agr
31 WesternA318 : "I was told that CO does not feel that a merger makes good business sense as it is too difficult to merge all of the systems and personnel. It was agr
32 Toxtethogrady : "You mean new cities in Mexico? I thought CO already flew into all of them!" Just the other day, I found out Avolar was starting service to Cuernavaca
33 Ejmmsu : I would love to see CO start IAH-SPS, with SPS being the largest market in Texas that does not get CO service.
34 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : I second that notion... if their EWR-DEL route is doing as well as its claimed, they could use some -200LR's for say EWR-BOM, IAH-DEL, IAH-BOM....all
35 102IAHexpress : I also would love to see CO enter the SPS market, but realistically if it ever does happen I doubt it will be a CO mainline flight. In the short term
36 Ejmmsu : I certainly agree. I was broadly using CO to describe CO and its express partners.
37 B4real : Typical politician talk. USA-AMS is already overserved by many counts. I think CDG would be a better fit for CLE and for SkyTeam!
38 Slider : On the docket, but indefinitely delayed for many reasons. Airport selection being one, Skyteam xfer traffic another, local, um, political, issues sha
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