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Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert  
User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13710 times:

Hello!

I've just seen following pic

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and asked me Why the hell are there so many NW planes in their new color scheme stored in the desert.

Any hints???

GreetZ,
Jan


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User currently offlineGreenguy01 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

Because they're in bankruptcy??

Does anyone know how many a/c they actually took out of service due to their schedule cutbacks?



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

Lease rejections.

I was surprised to see a UA 744 there,usually UA goes to VCV .

I see the Ghana DC-10's are still there. I wonder if they killed all the roaches in them?



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13672 times:

I think those are some of the aircraft returned to the lessor as a result of the BK proceedings. On the far left you see a gaggle of Avros, those were a part of it as well. Damn, that place sure is NW heaven.

Seems like every boneyard has one predominant customer...in Marana, it's NW. Victorville, it's DL. Mojave, alotta US.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13672 times:

The new NW colors have nothing to do with the leasing contract of this aircraft. As I know NW has give back ten A319 to the lessor - some of this planes wear the new silver colors.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13631 times:

JMO-777, you beat me to it!!

I knew it had to be leased aircraft - that would explain the 747-400 in United colors. If United could get a favorable deal from the lessor, they'd snatch it up in a heartbeat - but if it's in storage, it's gotta be a lease they can't afford.

It is sad to see the new NWA colors in storage - "it's not an encouraging picture" was my first thought. I do hope for all the involved parties sake that NWA can emerge from bankruptcy soon.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13513 times:

The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.

The A320 will find a new live pretty soon, hopefully the 757 too, although I think they have been here some longer.

The large numbers of 747-200, DC10´s. 146 and DC9 show NWA is shrinking dramatically & getting rid of less fuel / maintenance efficient aircraft..

Prices for spare parts, engines and leasing rates for those aircraft types are tumbling & will probably lead to entrepeneurs jumping in & give it a go...


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1818 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13399 times:

great pic! Sam's in his element! Nice work , sam!  thumbsup 

Does anyone know what that all white 744 is doing there, next to the ex-PIA 742?

Is it one of those ex-SQ 744s waiting for a new life?


I'm quite sure all those NW DC9's are going to the melting pot, unless NW brings 'em back on line.  frown 

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The large numbers of 747-200, DC10´s. 146 and DC9 show NWA is shrinking dramatically & getting rid of less fuel / maintenance efficient aircraft..

Won't anyone covert those DC-10s to cargo? I thought there was a great demand for cargo DC-10s?



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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13351 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.

Not with those engines on them. GE or RR are fine but the PW4056s command a much lower price. Maybe SQ would take it as a freighter conversion.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 7):
Won't anyone covert those DC-10s to cargo? I thought there was a great demand for cargo DC-10s?

Those days are gone, however the MD-11 is still very popular for cargo conversions.



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User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12452 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 7):
Does anyone know what that all white 744 is doing there, next to the ex-PIA 742?

Is it one of those ex-SQ 744s waiting for a new life?

Could be an ex-SQ that went to CX and has now been parked, alternatively it could be an ex-SQ and it was parked by them. The ex Malaysian 747-400 further up is interesting also. I think that's a PW too.

I checked the Jetphotos.net jetliner database and found 21 747-400s listed as stored. Some of them are ones like the AUE government and hence are still operational, but many are ex-airline examples. A few United, a few Singapore Airlines, many are listed as being owned by the Boeing Holding Company.



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User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12264 times:
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Keep in mind this picture was taken on 12/21. I think there has been a change in status of some of the NW a/c in the picture. As leases are renegotiated, they leave the desert (757,7474,319/320) to return to service. And conversely, I guess other a/c may replace them.

I am confident an NW expert can give us the details!



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12187 times:

If I had enough money, I wouldn't mind picking up one of those ex NW 742s and refurbish it into a VIP interior for personal use..... Big grin


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User currently offlineAfconcorde1 From France, joined Jan 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 12):

I second that. Especially for an office particularly for aircraft window photography / video taping.



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User currently offlineAvFan4ever From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11248 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 8):
GE or RR are fine but the PW4056s command a much lower price

DC10s with RR?

What you said is true for all GE-powered applications, but PW-powered 747 and 767 aircraft command higher prices than similar aircraft powered by RR.


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

They're aircraft NW has rejected the leases on, they send them out just before their next required major MX check while they renegotiate the lease on them. DL is doing the same thing.

Basically if they cannot renegotiate the lease then they do not perform the required MX check on the aircraft and give it back to the lessor (therefore throwing the high cost of the check onto the lessor).

Once they've renegotiated the leases they perform the required MX check and put the bird back into service.

-Drew

[Edited 2006-01-29 05:34:40]


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

Some of those ex-NW DC10 & 742 have a ton of hours and cycles and not worthwhile frames for cargo conversions. Bedek is finished with 742 conversions and with 744 conversions coming on line 747 classic conversions will soon be history.
The all white 744 next to the ex-PK is probably an ex-MH, CA, or AC.

I am kind of surprised to see 9 NW 757s & 12 A320/319. Are they back is service?


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

What's up with that ANA bird? Is that a 747-SR? Shame to see all of those 747 classics of NWA...loved to fly on those rusty hogs.

Oh, and for those of you who are wondering about the fate of NWA's DC9's, just peer into the photo a bit.

[Edited 2006-01-29 10:28:29]


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User currently offlineCRAPPYSEATS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 7494 times:

I live just up the road from the main gate, and can hear these mudders running up and down all the time. I had a chance to see one old Philippine 742 leave a few months ago. I wonder what happened to the others? I used to fly PAL all the time when they had skybeds to sleep in. This place has a NG training center for choppers, as well as a federal law academy for sky marshals, SO getting inside the gate ain't happening. Some recent rumors were that the planes from the Congo were infested with rats and bugs, and would be pulled off, wrapped and gassed before the cutters got to them. I have a friend with a spraying business and sometimes get to make a low pass over these planes, my heart breaks to recall all the times I have flown on these very same jumbos. Live for today, life is a hard lesson. Time is to us as it is to these grand old queens pf the sky. Someday we will be grounded and loose the glory of flight! I wish you could see the trucks going to I-10 with parts of these planes enroute to the smelter all the time... What a shame.

User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting AvFan4ever (Reply 14):
DC10s with RR?

What you said is true for all GE-powered applications, but PW-powered 747 and 767 aircraft command higher prices than similar aircraft powered by RR.

If you read my post properly, you'd see that I quoted Keesje's comment about the B744s, here it is again.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.

While you are correct about PW powered 767s being worth more than RR ones, you are way off on the B744 front. PW powered 744s are about as popular on the used market as anthrax is with small children. There is a much greater demand for used RR and GE B747s for cargo conversions. SQ would be about the only operator actively looking for used PW 747s.



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User currently offlineXstro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

I flew from TYS (Knoxville) to MSP on Thursday and I found it strange that there were seven NW CRJs parked on the tarmac. Why would NW park planes there?

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6201 times:
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For the record I counted 2 ex-US Airways planes in Mojave last week.

User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2471 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

Quoting Xstro (Reply 20):
I flew from TYS (Knoxville) to MSP on Thursday and I found it strange that there were seven NW CRJs parked on the tarmac. Why would NW park planes there?

First, they are 9E CRJ's not NW's. And secondly, parked where? TYS or MSP? Cause if it was MSP, thats one of their hubs. They can park them where ever they want.  Wink

XJR



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting Xstro (Reply 20):
I flew from TYS (Knoxville) to MSP on Thursday and I found it strange that there were seven NW CRJs parked on the tarmac. Why would NW park planes there?

There is an NW CRJ repair facility here in TYS. So, this might have been the reason you saw so many of them CRJs here...

When taking off southbound you can see the repair facility on the port side.

http://www.nwa.com/lb/corpinfo/newsc/2002/pr092620021016.html

KNOXVILLE, TENN. -- (Sept. 26, 2002) -- Northwest Airlines and its Northwest Airlink affiliate, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. today are celebrating the opening of a new 55,000 square foot Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ) Maintenance Repair and Overhaul facility, which includes offices and shops. This is the primary maintenance facility for Northwest’s growing fleet of regional jets and is the first tenant in McGhee Tyson Airport’s West Development Area.



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User currently offlineXstro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting Xjramper (Reply 22):



Quoting Xjramper (Reply 22):
First, they are 9E CRJ's not NW's. And secondly, parked where? TYS or MSP? Cause if it was MSP, thats one of their hubs. They can park them where ever they want.

They are in Knoxville. I should have been more specific.

I was assuming that they were flown by either Mesaba or Pinnacle. I was completely unaware that 9E flies plane under the NW colors.


25 NWDC10 : I would love to see the leases be alot lower and those birds flying again. Mainly the 757's. Robert NWDC10
26 Xjramper : I made mention of this in site related, but 9E is actually Pinnacle. Im guessing that you thought that "Express Airlines I" is Express Jet. Express A
27 DeltaGuy : Ahh it's been awhile then...I was there back in 02, all you could see was ex-US F100's, MD80's, 733/734's, and alot of MetroJet 732's. DeltaGuy
28 Keesje : RR & GE powered 744 have a better resale value, however PW powered versions find their way. Corsair bought a few and some of the new UA batch are alr
29 Jmc1975 : The new silver c/s oxidizes less than old red c/s does with the desert sun beating down on it. It's a business decision that only a company in dire s
30 WAH64D : Very true sir, I just added a bit of sarcasm for AvFan4ever's benefit.
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