DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13631 times:
I think those are some of the aircraft returned to the lessor as a result of the BK proceedings. On the far left you see a gaggle of Avros, those were a part of it as well. Damn, that place sure is NW heaven.
Seems like every boneyard has one predominant customer...in Marana, it's NW. Victorville, it's DL. Mojave, alotta US.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13590 times:
JMO-777, you beat me to it!!
I knew it had to be leased aircraft - that would explain the 747-400 in United colors. If United could get a favorable deal from the lessor, they'd snatch it up in a heartbeat - but if it's in storage, it's gotta be a lease they can't afford.
It is sad to see the new NWA colors in storage - "it's not an encouraging picture" was my first thought. I do hope for all the involved parties sake that NWA can emerge from bankruptcy soon.
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Amy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12411 times:
Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 7): Does anyone know what that all white 744 is doing there, next to the ex-PIA 742?
Is it one of those ex-SQ 744s waiting for a new life?
Could be an ex-SQ that went to CX and has now been parked, alternatively it could be an ex-SQ and it was parked by them. The ex Malaysian 747-400 further up is interesting also. I think that's a PW too.
I checked the Jetphotos.net jetliner database and found 21 747-400s listed as stored. Some of them are ones like the AUE government and hence are still operational, but many are ex-airline examples. A few United, a few Singapore Airlines, many are listed as being owned by the Boeing Holding Company.
N501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12223 times:
Keep in mind this picture was taken on 12/21. I think there has been a change in status of some of the NW a/c in the picture. As leases are renegotiated, they leave the desert (757,7474,319/320) to return to service. And conversely, I guess other a/c may replace them.
I am confident an NW expert can give us the details!
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AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10539 times:
They're aircraft NW has rejected the leases on, they send them out just before their next required major MX check while they renegotiate the lease on them. DL is doing the same thing.
Basically if they cannot renegotiate the lease then they do not perform the required MX check on the aircraft and give it back to the lessor (therefore throwing the high cost of the check onto the lessor).
Once they've renegotiated the leases they perform the required MX check and put the bird back into service.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9512 times:
Some of those ex-NW DC10 & 742 have a ton of hours and cycles and not worthwhile frames for cargo conversions. Bedek is finished with 742 conversions and with 744 conversions coming on line 747 classic conversions will soon be history.
The all white 744 next to the ex-PK is probably an ex-MH, CA, or AC.
I am kind of surprised to see 9 NW 757s & 12 A320/319. Are they back is service?
CRAPPYSEATS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7453 times:
I live just up the road from the main gate, and can hear these mudders running up and down all the time. I had a chance to see one old Philippine 742 leave a few months ago. I wonder what happened to the others? I used to fly PAL all the time when they had skybeds to sleep in. This place has a NG training center for choppers, as well as a federal law academy for sky marshals, SO getting inside the gate ain't happening. Some recent rumors were that the planes from the Congo were infested with rats and bugs, and would be pulled off, wrapped and gassed before the cutters got to them. I have a friend with a spraying business and sometimes get to make a low pass over these planes, my heart breaks to recall all the times I have flown on these very same jumbos. Live for today, life is a hard lesson. Time is to us as it is to these grand old queens pf the sky. Someday we will be grounded and loose the glory of flight! I wish you could see the trucks going to I-10 with parts of these planes enroute to the smelter all the time... What a shame.
What you said is true for all GE-powered applications, but PW-powered 747 and 767 aircraft command higher prices than similar aircraft powered by RR.
If you read my post properly, you'd see that I quoted Keesje's comment about the B744s, here it is again.
Quoting Keesje (Reply 6): The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.
While you are correct about PW powered 767s being worth more than RR ones, you are way off on the B744 front. PW powered 744s are about as popular on the used market as anthrax is with small children. There is a much greater demand for used RR and GE B747s for cargo conversions. SQ would be about the only operator actively looking for used PW 747s.
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