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SAS Braathens Flights Still Disrupted  
User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

SAS Braathens flights still disrupted
The Norwegian unit of Scandinavian Airlines said it would cancel about one in 10 flights on Friday because pilots, upset by plans for a new system of pay talks, were calling in sick for a fifth day.

"We expect to cancel about 40 flights today," SAS Braathens spokeswoman Siv Meisingseth said. The Norwegian unit has about 440 departures every day.

A Thursday evening meeting between SAS Braathens management and SAS pilots at Oslo's Gardermoen International Airport did not lead to an agreement.

SAS Braathens information adviser Knut Morten Johansen said that the meeting was characterized by positive dialog, but Jack Netskar, head of the SAS Norway's pilot's union, did not agree.

"The flight chaos in Norway will continue. If management doesn't start thinking differently, we will go to court," Netskar told Aftenposten.

SAS cancelled up to a third of flights in Norway earlier this week but says it is better organized to cope with absent pilots. About 100 pilots out of 800 have called in sick in what started as an apparent sympathy action with striking Danish pilots. The Danish pilots went back to work on Wednesday.

Norway's Labor-led government has accused SAS Braathens pilots of abusing a generous sick-leave system to stage a wildcat strike.

The Norwegian pilots' union denies it is striking, which would be illegal, but accuses SAS of reneging on a 2004 deal under which management agreed to negotiate pay centrally.

SAS now wants each of its units - in Sweden, Denmark and Norway - to negotiate pay with unions separately.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1208157.ece

Tuesday next week there is expected to get worse when the talks between the pilots and SAS Braathens starts again.

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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Well i guess Norwegian air shuttle should purchase some new airplanes to deal with this chaotic situation!!!What do you think?By the way i miss the old SAS
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Honestly I think a centralized pay system is something that needs to be enforced. One of the scary things about localizing pay is the ability for SK to cut benefits and salaries because its "not across the board".

In this situation I agree with the pilots but they need to make it a strike or publicly address the situation and not make it a "Pilot Cut Day" thing.



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Note that it is the SAS pilots of SAS Braathens who are stri...sick, the ex-Braathens SAFE pilots are flying.

User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Norwegian (DY) are expecting two more aircrafts in their fleet shortly. Bringing the number of aircrafts to 16.
They also just announced that they will buy one of the 16 aircrafts and decrease the number of leased planes by one.


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 2):
Honestly I think a centralized pay system is something that needs to be enforced. One of the scary things about localizing pay is the ability for SK to cut benefits and salaries because its "not across the board".

I don't think this means unreasonable cuts to anyone because the administration of pay is centralized. There has been discussion in this forum about SAS hiring Chinese flight attendants. I am sure that what they were offered is right and reasonable given that they were homebased and living in Mainland China. To offer them the pay of an FA living in Denmark (like the unions claim that SAS should do), would likely make them millionaires in terms of purchasing power, and I don't think that is right either.

If the cost of e.g. health insurance was covered by the government in Norway, but had to be covered as a direct cost to Swedish employees by SAS in Sweden, does it seem right to you that Norwegian and Swedish employees should be compensated equally on a gross (or pre-tax) basis? I just don't think so.

"Not across the board" makes sense, and is more fair, if you ask me.


User currently offlineGEEZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 4):
Norwegian (DY) are expecting two more aircrafts in their fleet shortly.

Any idea where they will be coming from?

Also, does anyone know if LN-KKV has been painted in tailart work yet?

Chris  wave 


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Am I right in assuming that Wideroe, although owned by SAS, has been unaffected by all of this at least from a labor point of view?

User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 4):
Bringing the number of aircrafts to 16.

really a good airline ,i use them often since the fusion of Braathens with Sas.But i guess they need more than 16 airplanes since now they run an intensive network around Europe and domestic network in Norway is a little weak now in days.They use to have a direct flight from TOS to Trondheim and BODØ but now only OSL is available
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 8):

Norwegian has never had any service Bodø - Trondheim. They used to have Tromsø - Trondheim, but suspended due to low loadfactor.


User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 6):

The last 2 aircrafts added to Norwegian fleet are:
LN-KKU B737-3L9 serial no:27337, previous reg: G-IGOU, build 1994, arriving 12.05 Y148

LN-KKV Boeing 737-3Y5 serial no:25613, previous reg: 9H-ABR, build 1993, arriving 11.05 Y148

No idea who will be on their tales yet


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 9):
Bodø - Trondheim.

I see...any way Norwegian is a good LCA.
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Hi!

It is a a little bit of sad feeling that I see SAS Braathens passing these bad moments. I learned to respect since many years ago Braathens ( then Braathens SAFE ) and infact the feeling of that airline was "Braathens IS SAFE to fly!!!". When I was a young teenager and a truly fanatic enthusiast I used to see Braathens 737's passing by LIS on their way to Madeira Islands or to Canary islands. But I had my day last September when I had the chance to fly them from LIS to OSL. I really enjoyed Braathens SAS, the plane was still in full Braathens livery, simple but distinctive the way to show Norway! I guess that Braathens now beeing part of SAS might lose the true "norwegian spirit" so it looks to me that Norwegian is taking that lead....is that right? I would like to ear our norwegian friends on this! When I was waiting for my flight back from OSL I could see some pretty good activity from Norwegian with flights comming and going!
Regards


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1768 times:
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Quoting Afay1 (Reply 7):
Am I right in assuming that Wideroe, although owned by SAS, has been unaffected by all of this at least from a labor point of view?

You are correct. WF operates totally separate from SK. Some codeshares, but other than that, a completely separate operation.



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

I believe that there is an airway infection that is causing all the SAS pilots to be ill  Wink

Seriously. All the delays today are due to bad weather here in Norway. Only 2 cancellations announced this evening.



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User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Norwegian (DY) is growing and growing rapidly as an important Norwegian carrier, serving 35 European destinations nonstop from Oslo (OSL) and many from Bergen (BGO), Stavanger (SVG) and Trondheim (TRD) too.


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 10):
No idea who will be on their tales yet

What about Princess Mette Maritt of Norway?
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1701 times:
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Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 16):
What about Princess Mette Maritt of Norway?

Please God, no!



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 17):
Please God, no!

HAHAHA your funny kaiGywer !!!! But princess Mette Maritt is very popular in Norway
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Just for the record, her name is Mette Marit

User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 15):

Norwegian offers a total of 65 routes to 45 destinations - 10 domestic routes and 55 international routes.

Norwegian tilbyr totalt 65 ruter til 45 destinasjoner – 10 ruter innenlands og 55 ruter utenlands.

http://www.norwegian.no


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
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Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 18):
HAHAHA your funny kaiGywer !!!! But princess Mette Maritt is very popular in Norway
Alex!!!

Nah, I rather see someone who has made history in Norway (well...MM has, but on the wrong terms...)



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 21):
ee someone who has made history in Norway

I am not sure if Roald Amundsun is already on the tails ,if not I will choose him.
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1538 times:
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Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 22):
I am not sure if Roald Amundsun is already on the tails ,if not I will choose him.

He is

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User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Hey anybody know what happened to thier subsidiary snowflake, i booked a flight with them 24th may from Nice to Copenhagen, but seems like ill be on SAS proper, an Airbus A321

25 Krje1980 : Well, unless you're flying Business or Economy Flex be prepared for a truly uneventful and lousy flight. SAS offers absolutely nothing, not even a cu
26 Cedars747 : I could never imagine that one day SAS will be like an LCA .SAS please come back like you was before ,one of the best airlines in the world!!! Alex!!
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