Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
SAS Braathens Flights Still Disrupted  
User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

SAS Braathens flights still disrupted
The Norwegian unit of Scandinavian Airlines said it would cancel about one in 10 flights on Friday because pilots, upset by plans for a new system of pay talks, were calling in sick for a fifth day.

"We expect to cancel about 40 flights today," SAS Braathens spokeswoman Siv Meisingseth said. The Norwegian unit has about 440 departures every day.

A Thursday evening meeting between SAS Braathens management and SAS pilots at Oslo's Gardermoen International Airport did not lead to an agreement.

SAS Braathens information adviser Knut Morten Johansen said that the meeting was characterized by positive dialog, but Jack Netskar, head of the SAS Norway's pilot's union, did not agree.

"The flight chaos in Norway will continue. If management doesn't start thinking differently, we will go to court," Netskar told Aftenposten.

SAS cancelled up to a third of flights in Norway earlier this week but says it is better organized to cope with absent pilots. About 100 pilots out of 800 have called in sick in what started as an apparent sympathy action with striking Danish pilots. The Danish pilots went back to work on Wednesday.

Norway's Labor-led government has accused SAS Braathens pilots of abusing a generous sick-leave system to stage a wildcat strike.

The Norwegian pilots' union denies it is striking, which would be illegal, but accuses SAS of reneging on a 2004 deal under which management agreed to negotiate pay centrally.

SAS now wants each of its units - in Sweden, Denmark and Norway - to negotiate pay with unions separately.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1208157.ece

Tuesday next week there is expected to get worse when the talks between the pilots and SAS Braathens starts again.

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Well i guess Norwegian air shuttle should purchase some new airplanes to deal with this chaotic situation!!!What do you think?By the way i miss the old SAS
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Honestly I think a centralized pay system is something that needs to be enforced. One of the scary things about localizing pay is the ability for SK to cut benefits and salaries because its "not across the board".

In this situation I agree with the pilots but they need to make it a strike or publicly address the situation and not make it a "Pilot Cut Day" thing.



Flying you to your destination; your girlfriend to her dreams.
User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Note that it is the SAS pilots of SAS Braathens who are stri...sick, the ex-Braathens SAFE pilots are flying.

User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Norwegian (DY) are expecting two more aircrafts in their fleet shortly. Bringing the number of aircrafts to 16.
They also just announced that they will buy one of the 16 aircrafts and decrease the number of leased planes by one.


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 2):
Honestly I think a centralized pay system is something that needs to be enforced. One of the scary things about localizing pay is the ability for SK to cut benefits and salaries because its "not across the board".

I don't think this means unreasonable cuts to anyone because the administration of pay is centralized. There has been discussion in this forum about SAS hiring Chinese flight attendants. I am sure that what they were offered is right and reasonable given that they were homebased and living in Mainland China. To offer them the pay of an FA living in Denmark (like the unions claim that SAS should do), would likely make them millionaires in terms of purchasing power, and I don't think that is right either.

If the cost of e.g. health insurance was covered by the government in Norway, but had to be covered as a direct cost to Swedish employees by SAS in Sweden, does it seem right to you that Norwegian and Swedish employees should be compensated equally on a gross (or pre-tax) basis? I just don't think so.

"Not across the board" makes sense, and is more fair, if you ask me.


User currently offlineGEEZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 4):
Norwegian (DY) are expecting two more aircrafts in their fleet shortly.

Any idea where they will be coming from?

Also, does anyone know if LN-KKV has been painted in tailart work yet?

Chris  wave 


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Am I right in assuming that Wideroe, although owned by SAS, has been unaffected by all of this at least from a labor point of view?

User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 4):
Bringing the number of aircrafts to 16.

really a good airline ,i use them often since the fusion of Braathens with Sas.But i guess they need more than 16 airplanes since now they run an intensive network around Europe and domestic network in Norway is a little weak now in days.They use to have a direct flight from TOS to Trondheim and BODØ but now only OSL is available
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 8):

Norwegian has never had any service Bodø - Trondheim. They used to have Tromsø - Trondheim, but suspended due to low loadfactor.


User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 6):

The last 2 aircrafts added to Norwegian fleet are:
LN-KKU B737-3L9 serial no:27337, previous reg: G-IGOU, build 1994, arriving 12.05 Y148

LN-KKV Boeing 737-3Y5 serial no:25613, previous reg: 9H-ABR, build 1993, arriving 11.05 Y148

No idea who will be on their tales yet


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 9):
Bodø - Trondheim.

I see...any way Norwegian is a good LCA.
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Hi!

It is a a little bit of sad feeling that I see SAS Braathens passing these bad moments. I learned to respect since many years ago Braathens ( then Braathens SAFE ) and infact the feeling of that airline was "Braathens IS SAFE to fly!!!". When I was a young teenager and a truly fanatic enthusiast I used to see Braathens 737's passing by LIS on their way to Madeira Islands or to Canary islands. But I had my day last September when I had the chance to fly them from LIS to OSL. I really enjoyed Braathens SAS, the plane was still in full Braathens livery, simple but distinctive the way to show Norway! I guess that Braathens now beeing part of SAS might lose the true "norwegian spirit" so it looks to me that Norwegian is taking that lead....is that right? I would like to ear our norwegian friends on this! When I was waiting for my flight back from OSL I could see some pretty good activity from Norwegian with flights comming and going!
Regards


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12214 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 7):
Am I right in assuming that Wideroe, although owned by SAS, has been unaffected by all of this at least from a labor point of view?

You are correct. WF operates totally separate from SK. Some codeshares, but other than that, a completely separate operation.



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

I believe that there is an airway infection that is causing all the SAS pilots to be ill  Wink

Seriously. All the delays today are due to bad weather here in Norway. Only 2 cancellations announced this evening.



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Norwegian (DY) is growing and growing rapidly as an important Norwegian carrier, serving 35 European destinations nonstop from Oslo (OSL) and many from Bergen (BGO), Stavanger (SVG) and Trondheim (TRD) too.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Wingnut



User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 10):
No idea who will be on their tales yet

What about Princess Mette Maritt of Norway?
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12214 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 16):
What about Princess Mette Maritt of Norway?

Please God, no!



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 17):
Please God, no!

HAHAHA your funny kaiGywer !!!! But princess Mette Maritt is very popular in Norway
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Just for the record, her name is Mette Marit

User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 15):

Norwegian offers a total of 65 routes to 45 destinations - 10 domestic routes and 55 international routes.

Norwegian tilbyr totalt 65 ruter til 45 destinasjoner – 10 ruter innenlands og 55 ruter utenlands.

http://www.norwegian.no


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12214 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1546 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 18):
HAHAHA your funny kaiGywer !!!! But princess Mette Maritt is very popular in Norway
Alex!!!

Nah, I rather see someone who has made history in Norway (well...MM has, but on the wrong terms...)



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 21):
ee someone who has made history in Norway

I am not sure if Roald Amundsun is already on the tails ,if not I will choose him.
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12214 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 22):
I am not sure if Roald Amundsun is already on the tails ,if not I will choose him.

He is

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Dag Eidet




911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Hey anybody know what happened to thier subsidiary snowflake, i booked a flight with them 24th may from Nice to Copenhagen, but seems like ill be on SAS proper, an Airbus A321

25 Krje1980 : Well, unless you're flying Business or Economy Flex be prepared for a truly uneventful and lousy flight. SAS offers absolutely nothing, not even a cu
26 Cedars747 : I could never imagine that one day SAS will be like an LCA .SAS please come back like you was before ,one of the best airlines in the world!!! Alex!!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Flights Still Landing In TLV? posted Wed Nov 29 2006 22:39:00 by Lemurs
Angry Passengers Kept Flying SAS Braathens Anyway posted Sun Jul 9 2006 19:44:27 by Heisan67
SAS Braathens Livery Question posted Sat Jul 8 2006 12:21:49 by Mozart
SAS Braathens To Get More 737, Two W/ Winglets posted Thu Jun 15 2006 23:41:33 by OyKIE
SAS Braathens Boss Petter Jansen To Be Fired Today posted Sun Jun 11 2006 16:25:30 by OyKIE
Is SAS Braathens Dispute Settled? posted Fri Apr 14 2006 10:49:01 by HS748
SAS Braathens To Go Budget posted Thu Apr 13 2006 13:22:41 by Heisan67
SAS Braathens Cabin Crew On Strike! posted Thu Apr 6 2006 07:12:50 by Krje1980
SAS Braathens Aircraft Collapses At Oslo Airport posted Tue Feb 14 2006 11:27:59 by Heisan67
One In Three Will Avoid SAS Braathens posted Thu Feb 9 2006 19:04:26 by Heisan67