TwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10526 times:
I remember a while back when UPS offereed passenger service to select destination. Question...What cities did they serve? WHy was it cut? HOw long did it take to change the inside from cargo to passenger?
PurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 251 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10374 times:
The pep band for the Purdue Women's BBall team (GABS) was "shipped" UPS to one of the NCAA tournament games several years back. We joked at the time that the university was pocketing our tuition and sending the band in "Next Day" boxes to the game. I knew a few band members, and they said it wasn't too bad, though.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10307 times:
UPS had a small subfleet (10'ish or so) B727-100QC that could be configured with passenger seats.
They mostly flew weekend fun/sun and cruise charters along the East Coast, however did on occasion make it out West as part of group or team charters.
Interestingly UPS somewhat followed the FEDEX footsteps whom also had a small passenger operation using 3 or so B737-200 in the early 1980s.
Overall not a terrible idea in trying to get better utilization and revenues from your fleet while it would otherwise be sitting on the ground, however eventually I think the idea faded away as it added too much complexity to the very streamlined operations Fedex & UPS operate.
Greyhound was a Canadian low fare carrier using B727-200s and having a Winnipeg hub connecting Eastern and Western Canada. They were backed by Greyhound bus lines and had joint marketing allowing you to mix airline/bus tickets to reach many smaller communities.
They only lasted for something like 1 year before shutting down.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Aogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10126 times:
The cabins of 5X's pax birds were really nice, took less than four hours to reconfig. After a while, the kits started to look worn. Some pretty high profile charters...we had the White House Press Corp come in on one...
UPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 819 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7503 times:
I heard part of the reason this isn't going on any longer is that the 727-100 could not hold the passenger count the charter companies were looking for. Just think if our 757 fleet was able to be configured for passenger during the day and packages at night.
Sadly the 757s are freight built with no windows -- hey maybe the DC8s could be .... nah .... just a fleeting fantasy I guess.
Jeffry747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6443 times:
Quoting Johnboy (Reply 13): IIRC, my brother in Louisville told me that he and his wife flew to Aruba on a vacation package utilizing UPS.
Quoting KYAir (Reply 14): They did use SDF as I remember seeing their check-in counter, something like 10 years ago.
You are both correct. I work at UPS, and used to work the cafeteria and snack bars at the SDF terminal before they were remodeled. On many occasions I did see passengers boarding UPS pax aircraft, mostly from a gate they shared with AA. A few days later, the same aircraft would be sitting in an out of the way spot on Ramp 9, the largest UPS ramp at SDF. During the course of the night you could watch as they converted the plane for cargo ops. By the end of the night she was ready to go for a package flight to wherever.
BryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6324 times:
I recall seeing pax UPS 727s operate out of BWI many times. Always charter.
They'd set up a big temorary sign at one of the check-in counters, with the old brown UPS logo. At least they weren't ashamed of advertising that they were flying pax! I wonder what the passegers thought when they were told to check in with "UPS Airlines" ?!?
CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6221 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4): Interestingly UPS somewhat followed the FEDEX footsteps whom also had a small passenger operation using 3 or so B737-200 in the early 1980s.
Hey Laxintl, Can you tell me where you got that info on Fedex carrying pax in 737s? I got hired in the early 80s and know we flew a few 737s(they were on the freight ramp) for a short time but I know a few of the guys that did this and there was never any mention or evidence that I saw regarding pax. I know that they talked about it but from what I was told scrapped the idea when they concluded that by the time you change interiors, have F/As and serve food and bev there was no money to be made. Of course today with day and night sorts it would require a complete seperate set of jets. Just curious...CC