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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 10 months 13 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

I was looking in the archives on the net and found out AF Dedicate flew to Atyrau,Kazakhstan with the Fokker 100! How long was this and did the aircraft get special titles and configuration? Also how are they doing and will we see more aircraft and/or destinations?


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Isn't it a bit of a stretch for a Fokker 100 to go from CDG to Kazakhstan? Even in an all J configuration and with some extra tanks, it still sounds unlikely.

User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

I thought they used an A319 LR for the route.

User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

I think GSM is right. AF did not have any F100s for the Dedicate service.

They offer 82 seats on the A319 in J and Y classes. And operate to TAS, DOH, KWL, SSG, PNR and GUW as their sched destinations.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

I think they were PLANNING to serve Atyrau (via Kiev with the F100)but didn't get the rights.

User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting GSM763 (Reply 2):
I thought they used an A319 LR for the route.

All the A319LR is, is an A319 with 2 ACT's. I suppose it's given a different name for marketing purposes.
The AF ones have got 82 seats in total (even though the UK site says 79). I can't find the split of business class to economy, but the business class is in a 2+2 configuration and extends to just aft of the wing. And the economy is 3+3.

(info from www.airfrance.com )


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 4):
I think they were PLANNING to serve Atyrau (via Kiev with the F100)but didn't get the rights.

Donder10 is right.
Atyrau was planned when "DEDICATE" services started but it was never launched, as well as Kish Island (Iran).

As AF didn't have enough A319ER, the flights to Atyrau were initially planned with a Brit'Air F100, with a special configuration and an enroute stop at KBP.
AF finally did't get the Traffic rights and never operated that route.

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 5):
The AF ones have got 82 seats in total (even though the UK site says 79).

AF's A319LR and A319ER are configured with 28 Business (2x2) and 54 Y (3x3 32" pitch).
Some websites mention 79 seats because on longer flights, 3 seats in Y are not sold and are used as a Crew Rest for F/A. The Cabin Version sold in that case is 28J/51Y.


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

The Dedicate division of Air France has four own A319 and a futher on lease from Aero Services Corporate.

Fleetlist


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

DOH, TAS and KWI, intially opened as a "Dedicate" service have been already closed : DOH & TAS because of poor loads and KWI because ... it was too successful : it required a bigger aircraft and so the line was fully transferred to KLM with additional frequencies from AMS, as AF didn't have enough A332 to operate the route itself.

In exchange, KLM stopped SSG, now operated 4 x Weekly from CDG.

"DEDICATE" destinations now are :
SSG, PNR, RUH, NKC, NDJ.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Any chance of additional dedicate destinations in Africa? I would like to see Bissau added, thereby providing the only European service, apart from TP.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
As AF didn't have enough A319ER, the flights to Atyrau were initially planned with a Brit'Air F100, with a special configuration and an enroute stop at KBP.
AF finally did't get the Traffic rights and never operated that route.

Thank you , I know they didnt have enough A319/ER's for the route and it was gonna stop in Kiev. Why didnt they get the rights? Did Air Astana start Atyrau-Europe services?



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 10):
Why didnt they get the rights?

Probably AF was not ready to pay enough "bakshish" to the Governement ...  Wink


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 3):

They offer 82 seats on the A319 in J and Y classes. And operate to TAS, DOH, KWL, SSG, PNR and GUW as their sched destinations.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
DOH, TAS and KWI, intially opened as a "Dedicate" service have been already closed : DOH & TAS because of poor loads and KWI because ... it was too successful : it required a bigger aircraft and so the line was fully transferred to KLM with additional frequencies from AMS, as AF didn't have enough A332 to operate the route itself.

DOH (Doha) was also dropped because of poor loads and that AF could send PAX via AMS on KLM which operate a 763 flight via DMM  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineKWI From Kuwait, joined Apr 2000, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

FlySSC,
Do you think there is any chance of AF returning to Kuwait? It seems odd that AF would pull out because of a lack of aircraft, and hand the route over to KLM. Wouldn't it have made more sense to continue with the Dedicate service, and maybe coordinate their schedules to Kuwait with KLM? There were days when both AF and KL had flights, and days when neither of them did, which would restrict some travellers. I had the honour of flying AF's Dedicate service to Kuwait for the short time it was operational, and I found it to be fantastic. I definately preferred the A319s over KL's 767s (even tho KL's service is quite goo, and will deploy their A330's to Kuwait very soon). Any info you could provide will be most welcome. Thanks

KWI


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Faris,
I doubt to see AF back to KWI soon, now that it was decided to transfer it to KL.
The increased frequencies and the upgrade from a B767 to an A332 show clearly that KL is now fully in charge of the developpement of the line in the name of AFKL.
I think an AF flight in addition to KL didn't create more demand, but shared the existing traffic. AF & KL were kind of competitors on the line which is exactely the opposite of what the new policy of AFKL is looking for.

I know that the "Dedicate" service is very praised by the passengers. I did quite a few DEDICATE flights when I was certidied on A319/A320 and the feed back from PAX was excellent.

A 6th A319LR is due to be delivered this year, and new destinations should be announced ...


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