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Iran Wants To Acquire 747 From AF  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9852 times:

Following a report from a belgian site,Iran wants to buy the Air France 747 that brought back the former Ayatolla Khomeini to Iran from his french exile and use it as a memory aircraft.
It is understood the plane would not be used for commercial use ( sale of american aircraft are forbidden to Iran )...

http://www.levif.be/Belga/BelgaNieuws.asp?ArticleID=49104&SectionID=10


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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9805 times:

Wow.. is that bird still with AF? 1979 seems like a long time ago.

BTW, I wonder if the sanctions would allow that, even if use is non-commercial.

Here's an English link from Google:
http://www.iranmania.com/News/Articl...e=40040&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs



"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

Imam Khomeiny flew back to THR on Feb.1 st 1979, just 27 years ago, on board an AF B747, most probably -100.

I doubt this aircraft is still the property of AF, as this type has been retired from service quite a few years ago ... and even if it's still AF's property, it is certainly not anymore in flyable conditions.

From all the B747-100/-200 retired from Air France, only 4 of them are still owned by AF and stored at CHR (F-BPVU, F-BPVX, F-BBPVY, F-GCBJ). All of them are -200 and none of them were delivered to AF after Feb.1979 ...



[Edited 2006-01-29 14:19:47]

[Edited 2006-01-29 14:23:04]

User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Could it be one of AF's freighters? Weren't they used at first as passenger planes and converted later?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 4):
isn't it suspicious how chummy AF crew are with Khomeini?

The Crew was helping who was already an old man who had spent many years in exile first in Iraq, then in France (with the agreement of H.M The Shah) and who was not yet the "Terrible" Leader he became ...

Quoting EHHO (Reply 4):
it looks a lot like France was behind the revolution.

Don't want to enter the Political subject, but the USA were more involved in the Revolution, pushing the Shah out, rather than France or G.B.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9451 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 3):
Could it be one of AF's freighters? Weren't they used at first as passenger planes and converted later?

No. ALL The -200 PAX converted into freighters, and still in service as such, were -200Combi, and were delivered to AF well after 1979.

Actually, if you read well the press release (in French) posted by Beaucaire, it sayd that "Iran wants to acquire the Air France 747 used to bring back home Imam Khomeini in 1979". It Doesn't say that Iran wants to buy it from Air France.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

Found on "Radiocockpit "-an elderly 747 used in France for the training of anti-terror units-has a few holes blown into the cockpit...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/794146/L/



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9284 times:


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Photo © François-Xavier Simon



Unlike written on this pic, this aircraft is probably not F-G*** but F-BP** .
(VT, VX, or VY), scrapped at Vatry (XCR).

F-BPVT was delivered to AF in Sept 1977, so could be the Komeini's one ... but it was crapped in Dec.2003 :

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The two others were delivered to AF in March & April 1979 ...

I just found a video of Khomeini's arrival in THR on that Feb.1st 1979.
The registration of the plane can not be seen, but you can see clearly that the AF B747 has only 3 windows at the upper deck, so it's definately a -100 ...

[Edited 2006-01-29 17:14:29]

User currently offlineIDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
The registration of the plane can not be seen, but you can see clearly that the AF B747 has only 3 windows at the upper deck, so it's definately a -100 ...

Not necessarily. All 747s until a certain line number (148 I Think) were produced with 3 upper deck windows; later ones were produced with ten windows, even if some airlines wanted them with the old layout and had the additional seven windows plugged by Boeing. Furthermore, some 3-window planes were later converted to 10 windows (BA 741s come to mind). So, it may have been either a -100 or a -200, unless all AF 741s belonged to the 3-window model and all of their 742s to the 10-window model.

I-DAWA.



Flown on: 319, 320, 321, 340, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, DC9, D10, M11, M80, 146, EM2, BEH, CRJ, DH8, L4T.
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

You are right, IDAWA...
But with AF's B747, You will find some AF's B747-100 with 10 windows at the upper deck, but NO -200 with only 3 windows ...


User currently offlineKLMyank From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7417 times:

It was an A300 wasnt it? The whole story and pics are in John Simpsons strange places, questionable people and the pics there show an A300...

User currently offlineIsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

Dont AF have old records to find the registration number of the exact aircraft?

Regards


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 11):
Dont AF have old records to find the registration number of the exact aircraft?

These should also be available in the movements database of Teheran Airport.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
I just found a video of Khomeini's arrival in THR on that Feb.1st 1979.
The registration of the plane can not be seen, but you can see clearly that the AF B747 has only 3 windows at the upper deck, so it's definately a -100 ...

Link?

-IR


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 11):
Dont AF have old records to find the registration number of the exact aircraft?

I Tried... But couldn't find it.

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 13):
Link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...ruary/1/newsid_2521000/2521003.stm


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

I have just checked Airfleets and the Jet Airliner Production List.

I came to four possibilities, (Air France B747, in service as passenger aircraft in 1979 and still existing).

MSN 19751 A series 128 initially F-BPVC but now N3203Y.

This aircraft has been stored at Tel Aviv still 2001. If this is the aircraft then it is a political non starter.

MSN 20541 A series 128 initially N28903 then F-BPVJ. This aircraft has been stored at Le Bourget since 2000. It would need to be shipped, if the Musse De l'Air would release it. A bit of a long shot.

MSN 20800 A series 128 initially N28366 then F-BPVN. This aircraft has been at the FAA Training School since 1994, and is another long shot.

MSN 21141 A series 128 initially N40116 then F-BPVQ. Then aircraft has been stored at Marana since 1997. The political issues that would block the shipping of MSN 20800 would not affect this aircraft. Clearly it would need to be clear that the aircraft was not flyable. However after 8 years in the desert...


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Here is the list of all the B747 PAX in service with AF in February 1979, and their situation now :

B747-128

F-BPVA : with AAR since 1993 as N611AR
F-BPVB : scrapped at MRS in 1995
F-BPVC : Converted into Freighter. With El Al as N3203Y
F-BPVD : With AAR since 1994 as N612AR
F-BPVE : Scrapped in Bruntingthorpe in 1998
F-BPVF : With Air Atlanta as TF-ABW
F-BPVG : With AIr ATlanta as TF-ABG
F-BPVH : ???
F-BPVJ : Displayed at Le Bourget Air & Space Museum
F-BPVK : With AAR since 1994 as N615AR
F-BPVL : Scrapped at VCV in 2001
F-BPVM : Scrapped at CHR
F-BPVN : With AAR since 1993 as N610AR
F-BPVP : Scrapped at CHR in 1999
F-BPVQ : Sold to TWA in 1996 as N129TW. Now ???

B747-200

F-BPVS : Scrapped at CHR
F-BPVT : Scrapped at Vatry
F-BPVU : Stored at CHR


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 4):

isn't it suspicious how chummy AF crew are with Khomeini?

It was also an Air France flight crew that refused to leave their Jewish passengers behind and remained with them at Entebe. I'd say it looks more like Air France crews take the care of their passengers seriously.



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Well, as we're at it again... I don't have any problems with cabin crew assisting an elderly man in leaving the aircraft. But why does a member of the flight deck crew have to do that? Especially in a predictably tense political situation.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but on the photo it seems that it's the captain helping the ayatollah. Were there any male F/A's in those days, and did they wear such uniforms?



"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
MSN 19751 A series 128 initially F-BPVC but now N3203Y.

This aircraft has been stored at Tel Aviv still 2001. If this is the aircraft then it is a political non starter.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
F-BPVC : Converted into Freighter. With El Al as N3203Y

Has it ever been used by LY?

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
MSN 20800 A series 128 initially N28366 then F-BPVN. This aircraft has been at the FAA Training School since 1994,



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
F-BPVN : With AAR since 1993 as N610AR

Interesting

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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
F-BPVQ : Sold to TWA in 1996 as N129TW. Now ???

Apparently at Marana now:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
MSN 21141 A series 128 initially N40116 then F-BPVQ. Then aircraft has been stored at Marana since 1997.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 4553 times:

Has anyone confirmed which aircraft was involved.

User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 20):
Has anyone confirmed which aircraft was involved.

I was quite young  Smile back in 1979, but do seem to recall that Ayatolla Khomeini flew to Teheran on a Boeing 737.

I may be completely in the wrong here. The stairway through which the Ayatolla is disembarking seems to look more like that of a 747 rather than that of a 737.

Just had to air my thoughts. Shoot some holes in these!


User currently offlineIsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 21):
I was quite young back in 1979, but do seem to recall that Ayatolla Khomeini flew to Teheran on a Boeing 737.

It is defenetely is a 747-100. Please see this BBC video clip

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...ruary/1/newsid_2521000/2521003.stm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
I Tried... But couldn't find it.

Due to secuirity reasons, AF may not have stated the exact aircraft information so the rego details will not be in the data base. But if we can get the un edited video from BBC, we may able see the regiatration of the aircraft.

Quoting EHHO (Reply 18):
but on the photo it seems that it's the captain helping the ayatollah. Were there any male F/A's in those days, and did they wear such uniforms?

The crew member only have 1 stripe, so it cant be the Captain. But looks like a flight deck crew member.

Regards


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 22):
The crew member only have 1 stripe, so it cant be the Captain. But looks like a flight deck crew member.



Quoting EHHO (Reply 18):
But why does a member of the flight deck crew have to do that? Especially in a predictably tense political situation.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but on the photo it seems that it's the captain helping the ayatollah. Were there any male F/A's in those days, and did they wear such uniforms?

It is a cabin crew member. Looks like a cabin purser Cheif de Cabine. In those days the AF male flight attendant uniform consisted of a hat as part of the uniform.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 22):
The crew member only have 1 stripe, so it cant be the Captain. But looks like a flight deck crew member.

The Crew who is helping Imam Khomeini to go down the stairs is a Purser.
The other Crew standing behind is the Chief Purser.
At that time and until last year, Pursers used to have one thin silver stripe, and Chief Pursers one thick silver stripe.

Now, with the new Christian Lacroix Uniform, Pursers stil have one thin silver stripe, Chief pursers have two thin ones.


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