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QF Domestic - No ID Check  
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

I have just flown BNE-MEL return this weekend (767-300 & 737-800) ad I really have to say the 763 is so much more comfortale and spacious. Anyway that's another discussion.

When arriving at BNE I decided to use the self check-in kiosk. Simply enter your name and arrival city/flight details, select your seat and it's all done. Now having used the same technology in the USA I was anticipating some ID check either at bag drop off, security check point or boarding. Guess what? - NONE

Today when checking in at MEL I asked the reservations clerk at bag drop off about verification of identity and she explained that was not required. I queried her about the security risks and she agreed it seemed odd, but that is the standard practice.

1. Obviously there is no profiling in Australia
2. There is no identity check

A passenger could be a wanted criminal escaping across Australia, a terrorist,etc. Even a known terrorist in Australia could simply travel on a different name.

Isn't there something drastically wrong here I am I just conditioned to the TSA in the USA?


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User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
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Quoting Jetfuel (Thread starter):
oday when checking in at MEL I asked the reservations clerk at bag drop off about verification of identity

I'm surprised that in itself didn't get you singled out for 'special attention' Big grin



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

I guess I was courteous about it and the agent clearly agreed with me. In the USA ID is again checked at the security point. There's no such check here and even if there was because visitors are allowed past the security screening point it would still enable an identity swap as there's also no check at boarding either... Considering we are all told that Australia is a terrorist target I am really wondering how safe it is to be flying here???


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User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
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Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 2):
In the USA ID is again checked at the security point. There's no such check here and even if there was because visitors are allowed past the security screening point it would still enable an identity swap as there's also no check at boarding either... Considering we are all told that Australia is a terrorist target I am really wondering how safe it is to be flying here???

surely if you , your hand luggage and your checked luggage all make it through xray/metal detector etc then you are not carrying anything that you shouldn't thus you cannot be a threat to the a/c even if they haven't positively ID'd you



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 760 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Thread starter):
Even a known terrorist in Australia could simply travel on a different name.

I don't get the whole ID check...

You can get on a train or a bus or even go thru a toll at any highway without showing an ID. You can even enter a police station without showing an ID or walk by the Embassy door (depends which one Big grin).... Should we have to go thru a security check every 2 miles to fell more secure?... to trust the one a have 1 foot behind of me?

And of course, if you are a known terrorist... will you try to get on a plane with your actual ID card? If you can make a bomb i assume you can fake an ID....


User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 291 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
surely if you , your hand luggage and your checked luggage all make it through xray/metal detector etc then you are not carrying anything that you shouldn't thus you cannot be a threat to the a/c even if they haven't positively ID'd you

I totally agree. What does it matter what a person's name is in the grand scheme of things? I think perhaps you have been conditioned a bit too much by american security paranoia. Whether my name is Smith or Jones doesn't make much difference to the safe operation of a flight.

Affer having those nasty SSSSs on my boarding pass on 100% of my flights on US carriers last year and seeing how inconsistent the "extra" checks are on different occasions, I don't see how flagging names on a computer - how did I get on their computer in the first place?? - will really help in preventing security breaches. Consistent and universal checks are the best way.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11847 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1894 times:
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With the self check-in kiosk, its the same at AKL, WLG and CHC (those are the only airports with self check-in). NZ are the only airline that uses it here To use the self check-ins here, you need to insert a card (EFTPOS, koru club, air points, visa only) If you have bags then your asked at the drop off bags desk for ID.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Don't need ID for domestic travel in Japan either.
Just having a boarding pass will grant the traveler to go thru security at the airports.


User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

It's the same when flying within the UK on BA - no ID check because it's NOT a security requirement. Other airlines do ID checks not for security reasons but to prevent people transferring their tickets to other people without paying the change fee.

User currently offlineVs25 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Actually with BA online check in, you are required to have ID on you. It says so on the boarding pass. The wierd thing is, I was on a flight from NCL to LHR and I was ID-ed at the gate because I had online check in, however people with "normal" boarding passes weren't.

User currently offlineOzvirginuk From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 396 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

I was recently on duty travel on BD from LHR to GLA, and not at any stage was I asked for any ID.

The reason? Well, i guess that it's because this is a domestic flight, and the security screening of my person and baggage is suffice. As there are no border controls to take into consideration, I guess it doesn't really matter what my name is.

On the other hand, when I went back home to Oz last year I flew SYD-BNE-SYD on DJ, and had to present ID at the bag drop (we used the kiosks to check-in). I suppose each airline has it's own protocol for domestic travel, where international travel is governered by the relevant govenment bodies ie immigration/customs etc.

Ozvirginuk


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Domestic ID checks in the United States have long stemmed as much from airlines trying to manage revenue as anything else.

In the 'old days' before ID checks, you could, as people have said, go through security, and get on a plane. I'll admit to once having traveled as "BOND/JAMESMR." in the late 1980s.

This cost the airlines money in a couple of ways:

1) people selling or transferring non-refundable tickets. There even used to be ads in the paper, for example "male, ORD to LAX, Feb. 5th" (since perhaps a man travelling with a "BROWN/ELEANORMRS." might have attracted attention).

2) Credit card fraud. This actually really shot up in the mid-1990s. For a number of years in there, it was impractical to validate the cardholder's address, so a valid CC# and expiration date pretty much got you the ticket, outside of rare, random checks, and certain high-dollar transactions that were sometimes flagged. So the airlines felt that being able to put a name to a ticket could (and it did) help limit some of that fraud. Another rising vector of credit card abuse was by people using their own cards but giving false names, then travelling and disputing the charge. 99.99% of the time, the credit card company would honor the dispute based on name difference alone (and the fact that the airline had no signature, no ID check, nothing) and the airline was just out the money.

Security was (and, in truth, from an airline perspective, still is) a very distant second fiddle to revenue control.

Steve


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

I have never had ID checks at either QF or DJ domestic self check-ins either, and, for that matter, with the self check-ins with AC and WS domestic or SK intra-EU ...

The only time when I was asked to go to the agent was checking into an AC domestic flight at YYZ - I was told as it was a last minute booking with a foreign (Australian) credit card they wanted to make sure they could sight the card and make sure it wasn't a fraud.



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User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

I flew QF at the weekend from MEL to SYD and back and I used the self check kiosk at both airports. I wasn;t I.D'd once and could have easily swapped boarding passes with anyone else within the airport without a question.

Even at the gate they didnt ask for ID. So essentially, it could be anyone carrying the boarding pass getting on board.

Oh well!


User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Echoing the spot on comments of Sllevin, the ID check was supposedly "required" by the FAA in 1996--as a reaction to TWA 800.

Airlines couldn't really unilaterally begin asking for/requiring ID all on their own, for fear of pissing off passengers (but they wanted it for the reasons outlined in his post.) So the airlines en masse pretended that the ID check was an FAA requirement in reaction to the mysteriousness of TWA 800 (which, whatever was the reason that brought down that flight, was likely not caused by a lack of ID  Smile

In truth, the FAA probably didn't have a requirement at all, or a particular strong one. It wasn't until 9/11 that the government really cared about ID for flying--suddenly making it into a security thing forgetting that it really wasn't security related in the first place.

So to answer the general question...you've been conditioned by how things are done in the US. It's perfectly safe in Australia.


User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1464 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
If you have bags then your asked at the drop off bags desk for ID.

I've only ever been asked for the boarding pass that the self-check kiosk had just printed - obviously as the kiosk machine has just checked your ID card of choice this verifies the correct named person has checked in.

NZ's self-check kiosks annoy me. Exit rows (where I always request to sit) are blocked on the kiosks (as these rows have certain restrictions on the type of passenger who can sit there) so therefore I always check in at the counter. Plus often the queue to check in bags after having self-checked, is just as long as the normal queue anyway.



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 7):
Don't need ID for domestic travel in Japan either.
Just having a boarding pass will grant the traveler to go thru security at the airports.

And that boarding pass doesn't necessarily even have your name on it, if you are on a group tour...

I think it's quite weird, since you could give that boarding pass to anyone and when something out of the ordinary happens, the airline doesn't have a 100 % correct passenger list...

Security is quite thorough, though, which is good. They even scan all the liquid you are going to carry-on with a special machine.



[Edited 2006-02-03 02:58:40]

[Edited 2006-02-03 02:59:46]


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