Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8444 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 38386 times:
Great photo , but it might not have even qualified as an incident .... it is very difficult in shots like these to tell what FL each plane is at .. they could have had 1000' vertical separation for all we know , the foreshortening affect has a way of making shots like this look more dramatic than they actually are ( I hope)
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Jbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 526 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 37960 times:
Does DHL even operate into LHR? I would think the cargo companies aside from the subsidaries of passenger carries would go to other London airports. Why would the DHL flight be that close to LHR landing or arrival paths anyways?
However, I certinaly no longer like the git who sold this picture to the News Of The World, caused uneccecary concern about air safety and worst of all, he/she has probably got a lot of money for this pic!
MKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1010 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 37769 times:
As Concordeboy brought up 2005 was not a good year safety-wise for JAL. It is my understanding that their image in Japan was severely tarnished, and due to fewer bookings JAL had to trim back some international flights.
Even though this was not an incident, and according to reports the planes were always a safe distance from each other...a picture is worth a thousand words, and this will cause further problems for JAL.
"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 37740 times:
Quoting MKEdude (Reply 19): As Concordeboy brought up 2005 was not a good year safety-wise for JAL
well, it wasn't a cautious one... but I'd say it was a damn "good" year for them, since they very well could've killed a few hundred people in any one of those incidents. Fortune was strongly on their side.
Gritzngravee From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 37061 times:
Photographs are two dimensional, if this photo was taken and sold to a media outlet there is no one to blame but the media outlet. Bu tlike many of you have stated the media loves to make something out of nothing.
Pilot error does occur and in a city like London (LHR, GTW, STD, LNC, LUT) I'm sure there are close calls everyday just like in the NYC area(JFK, LGA, EWR, ISP and Westchester).
I noticed when looking at most apporach photos at SFO every shot looks like a close call but that's because there is no depth perception. Just like the London photo, you cannot tell how far or close you are to something when the background is the atmosphere, there are no shadows to measure or any clouds showing a refelction therefore zooming in makes it look like an extremely close call.
Just do a photo search of SFO and you will see almost all of the parallel approaches look like possible collisions.
Gritzngravee From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 36927 times:
I also forgot to mention the major issue concerning near misses of planes departing and approaching TEB and EWR. I live in North Jersey and all traffic departing LGA heading West, South or Northwest intersects JFK approaches from the west. At the same time if EWR are landing the 22's that means TEB traffic is also landing heading South. My window in my room looks directly South so I see TEB and EWR traffic converging and it always looks like close calls. But the human eye cannot zoom in and out like birds therefore we see things equally so to speak. But there have been numerous stories published in area papers about TEB traffic completely ignoring EWR approaching traffic, even ignoring commands to climb at a certain rate per minute(fines have been handed down to many private planes at TEB). Also many ATC's have complained about lack of man power at peak departure and arrivals at the NYC airports and it will probably take a collision to right the problem I hope that doersn't happen. There was a close call of about 300 feet or less when a plane was cleared to land the crosswind runway at EWR and a plane departing TEB was completely left in the blind (ATC too busy to see the potential danger, guiding other planes). Not to say this is what happened in London but you never know.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 36591 times:
You know...if JL was involved, I would not be surprised if it were actually true.
They just got a 2nd strike against them from the Ministry of Transportation for an incident on a 747 on NRT-TPE where a FA did not arm a door because "she didn't know how it worked". They have had multiple safety issues in the past couple months that are just based on stupidity and undereducated staff.
If this actually happened, the Japanese government will count it as strike 3 and they will be forced to suspend operations till they sort out their safety issues.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
25 Drakey: This is total media sensationalism. The two aircraft were both in the Lambourne hold for Heathrow and were vertically separated by 1000 feet. No pilot
26 Pogo: As BA0284 said yes they do, they also fly B757's in to LHR. They have a designated cargo shed and as well as dealing with the loads of there own airc
27 Echster: Just my 2 cents, but I find it unlikely aircraft equipped with TCAS would both order a left hand turn.
28 Jetlagged: TCAS only provides vertical resolutions, so can't order a turn in either direction. Certainly each aircraft would be on the other's TCAS display as p
29 727forever: The EAT airbus in this photo is in fact an A300-b4-200. 727forever
30 AirTranTUS: If the DHL plane is an A300B4, its length is 175ft. An A300-600 would be even longer. Some quick math yields: 175/243 or .72 6.4 * .72 = 4.6 inches 4
31 AirCanada014: It is A300-600F but the length is 177ft not 133ft
32 727forever: Of all possible DHL vendors, the following is true of their A300 fleets: 1. EAT has only A300b4-203Fs 2. Swift Air has only A300b4-200Fs 3. Astar has
33 LTU932: If the plane was really that close to the JL 77W, you can rest assured that TCAS would have alerted them in advance. However, if the TCAS wouldn't wor
34 Leigh pilgrim: I wondered how long it would be before this was on the net. Just read it in the daily mail, apparently a football fan took the picture near West Ham,
35 Henny: This is nonsense, shame on Sky - those two planes are simply in left end of the LAM hold at LHR, 1000ft apart - it's only because it's a clear day and