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Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

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The service is likely to start by February 2007. Air-India may launch a non-stop service to the US in early 2007, when the national carrier takes delivery of its first 3 B777-200LR aircraft from Boeing Company.

“The service is likely to start by February 2007. Air-India is exploring the option of starting non-stop service from New Delhi or Mumbai to New York or Chicago,” a source said. Air-India is acquiring 8 777-200LR Worldliners as part of its proposed acquisition of 68 aircraft from Boeing for an estimated $8.1 billion.

The planes are scheduled for delivery beginning November 2006. Currently, Air-India is operating 28 flights a week to Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Newyark connecting via European destinations including London, Frankfurt and Paris.

“The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US passengers, though they are not stopping in London. Passengers will prefer non-stop flights,” an industry analyst said. The non-stop service India-US is seeing over 80 per cent load factor and will be a boon to Air-India, they observed.

Currently, Continental Airlines and American Airlines are operating seven flights a week each with 777-200 ER aircraft. The world’s largest airline firm American Airlines is operating its daily transatlantic flight non-stop between New Delhi and Chicago, while Continental Airlines is operating daily non-stop between New Delhi and New York.

Sources in Air-India said the airline is in the process of finalising the route details, however, it would continue with existing stop-over services.The deployment of 777-200LR would offer Air-India operational cost savings and the flexibility to serve new, ultra long range non-stop routes.

Air-India’s order of 68 aircraft comprise 23 777s including 8 777-200LR Worldliners and 15 777-300ERs and 27 787-8 Dreamliners. Air-India Express, a wholly owned subsidiary of Air-India, will receive 18 next generation 737-800s.

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Are the 744's not capable of doing the non-stop flights that the 772LR will do? I thought that the 744 has tremendous range, but maybe the 772LR is better suited capacity wise?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I thought that the 744 has tremendous range

It once was the longest ranged commercial aircraft in service... but the A342X, A343X/E, A345, A346, 772ER, 773ER, and soon 772LR all offer more range than does the 744 today.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

I would have liked to see SFO-BLR instead, but BOM is a better choice than DEL if they have only three 772LRs delivered in 2007. As per the article, AA and CO flights have a load factor of over 80% to DEL. Why not use 773ER for JFK/ORD-DEL instead of 772LR. I assume they will be receiving a few 773ER in 2007. Does any one know the delivery schedule?

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9636 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I assume they will be receiving a few 773ER in 2007. Does any one know the delivery schedule?

16 aircrafts by 2007,
10 737-800,
03 777-200LR
03 777-300 ER


User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9636 times:

How about opening routes to southern cities like Bangalore.

AI seems to be obsessed with Delhi and Bombay  Sad


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I would have liked to see SFO-BLR instead, but BOM is a better choice than DEL if they have only three 772LRs delivered in 2007. As per the article, AA and CO flights have a load factor of over 80% to DEL. Why not use 773ER for JFK/ORD-DEL instead of 772LR. I assume they will be receiving a few 773ER in 2007. Does any one know the delivery schedule?

BOM would be better served, as there would be no competition (thus killing yields) on those routes.....with AA serving ORD/EWR-DEL anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to serve DEL from those cities...

now if AI was smart, they would start services from SJC (not SFO) and LAX to DEL nonstop...



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9556 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 4):
16 aircrafts by 2007,
10 737-800,
03 777-200LR
03 777-300 ER

Thanks Karan69. The new 773ERs are capable of doing JFK/ORD-DEL/BOM. It may be that AI is receiving 772LRs first and 773ERs later. If so, then start 772LRs with JFK/EWR to BOM and ORD-BOM(Max 10 flights per week with three 772LRs) and switch to 773ERs when delivered and then utilize 772LRs for SFO/SJC-BLR and LAX-BOM.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9526 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US passengers, though they are not stopping in London.

Huh? Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9506 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US passengers, though they are not stopping in London.

Huh? Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.

I think it was meant to say :

The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US-bound Indian passengers, though they are not stopping in London



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

Does AI not run a direct 744 from JFK to DEL due to it would have to have a lot of restrictions or it just simply couldn't make it with or without restrictions?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

A 744 could do JFK-DEL with profit-potential payload-- alas, probably not to the capacity expectations that AI would find acceptable.

UA care within a hare's breath of offering ORD-DEL nonstop 744 service in 2001.


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

So a 744 can make the trip without a lot of restrictions?


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4923 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9427 times:

Does this mean AI will drop LHR-JFK or could they still fly this alongside non stop USA flights?


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9427 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
Thanks Karan69. The new 773ERs are capable of doing JFK/ORD-DEL/BOM. It may be that AI is receiving 772LRs first and 773ERs later. If so, then start 772LRs with JFK/EWR to BOM and ORD-BOM(Max 10 flights per week with three 772LRs) and switch to 773ERs when delivered and then utilize 772LRs for SFO/SJC-BLR and LAX-BOM.

Nov 2006 aircraft delivery will be a 77W.
IMO with 3 77Ws and 3 772LRs there is not much you can do, initially atleast, as the 77W will directly replace the KE 744 leased aircrafts which would have ended their lease agreements by 2007.


As for the 772 LRs, i bet they will launch a BOM/DEL-NYC flight daily as NY market is always a safe bet to fly into---full of Indians--both high and low yielding.

One 777 [not sure 300ER or 200LR] is expected in the end of 2007--so effectively AI will have only 5 owned 777s by 2007 end.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Does this mean AI will drop LHR-JFK or could they still fly this alongside non stop USA flights?

there'd be nothing to prevent them from it... other than general market forces


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9377 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 4):
10 737-800,

Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9366 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)

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User currently offlineEWROwznj00 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Does this mean AI will drop LHR-JFK or could they still fly this alongside non stop USA flights?

I guess it depends on where they decide to send the non stops. The JFK flight orginates in Mumbai, then flies to Delhi, London, and then New York(or has that changed?). So, they could follow Singapore Airlines example, and deploy non-stops to Newark, and keep JFK as a one-stop flight between the US and India. I'm guessing the loads and yeilds on JFK-LHR are pretty good, so I don't see why that would be abandoned.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9110 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Huh? Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.

Lots of people in this world apart from Americans Big grin

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)

Yes!

Quoting EWROwznj00 (Reply 18):
The JFK flight orginates in Mumbai, then flies to Delhi, London, and then New York(or has that changed?).

No, it hasn't....


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

It makes sense as an eventuality. They probably need to get into an alliance sooner rather than later to make sure they are not overly disadvantaged in terms of feed.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9019 times:

A direct BOM or DEL flight to JFK / ORD would be great....would the flight be around 16 - 17 hours or so? A real boon for US bound pax who have to spend long hours connecting at CDG/LHR/FRA today....

However, that said, I personally hate the thought of flying those loooong non-stops...maybe we would get better deals on Euro connections once AI, CO, AA and others begin point to point direct flights to all major Indian cities... smile 


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):

BOM would be better served, as there would be no competition (thus killing yields) on those routes.....with AA and CO serving ORD/EWR-DEL anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to serve DEL from those cities...

now if AI was smart, they would start services from SJC (not SFO) and LAX to DEL nonstop...



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
DEL flight to JFK / ORD would be great

I dont think that would be the best for yields...

the flight is around 14-14 1/2 hours...


ok..maybe they can serve SFO if they need more runway space, but SJC would be more convenient to the local desi population...



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User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

So much for rumors of SFO, IAD or IAH/DFW...

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8783 times:

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 23):
So much for rumors of SFO, IAD or IAH/DFW...

agree with you, basically it is fatigue and nobody is in a position to believe anything till officially announced.
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25 Kaitak744 : If they start those routes, they will probably start them with one stop service and then move on to non-stop (if successfull). With 8 777-200LRs, the
26 AA87 : AI global carrier, long history and now will join the elite with longest non-stops in the world. Time for a serious makeover, their triples deserve bo
27 AS739X : I see know reason why SJC is better for AI then SFO. The majority of the population of Indians are in the east bay, not that far from SFO. No to menti
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : actually, SJC is just as easy to get to from East Bay (880 straight down) as SFO is. Not to mention, the desi population is huge in the San Jose, Sun
29 Karan69 : It will be interesting to see where AI will stand by 2012 when all 68 aircrafts are delivered. As i said earlier initially they will start BOM/DEL-JF
30 FlyDreamliner : I think the Worldliner, and aircraft like it will eventually come to change the way global air travel works. smaller, point to point flights to anywhe
31 AirIndia : I am sure they had that in mind while planning for the fleet acquisition. Karan, in 2012 apart form the 68 new a/cs how many 744s will be service wor
32 HAWK21M : Wonder what Tail livery. regds MEL
33 AirIndia : snake charmers, gulab jamun...
34 Dreamflight767 : Have to agree with the % you gave AS739X, maybe even less. SJC doesn't have what it takes to attract a major international carrier like AI. So far, A
35 Post contains images HAWK21M : Will do as long as its not named after a politician regds MEL
36 AussieItaliano : I'd rather WALK than take 880 South anyday. It's an absolute nightmare. That aside, there's no way that AI would pick SJC over SFO. Other internation
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : when I lived in The Marina District, I would take the #30 Muni to Powell/Market St. then BART from Powell St. stop to SFO...u're correct, its very co
38 Sammyk : No need to have something flashy when you already have something classy. I think the Palace livery suits these "prestige" flights more than some gene
39 Sammyk : I read somewhere that they will put ads on the tails in the future. Not sure if they meant under the tail like Deccan, or on the tail itself. Hope it
40 StarGoldLHR : I would imagine AI's LHR-JFK will be dropped or code-shared to another airline. LHR-JFK with AI is the cheapest method of crossing the atlantic curren
41 Himmat01 : I don't think AI would ever drop the LHR-JFK flights. It has been operating this route since 1962. It is after all one of the very few airlines autho
42 Nimish : Not another AI obsession with BOM/DEL! Come on AI - wake up - there's more to the world that BOM and NYC. Well - the only thing I can hope for is that
43 Atmx2000 : Maybe once they get more planes they will be willing to take such risks. Perhaps the 787 will be something that would be deployed on such routes.
44 Post contains images Jacobin777 : i thought of that too...but I see it highly unlikely...... doesn't seem like SJC will ever get to a "good" 2nd-level international gateway like EWR i
45 Post contains images Desh : non-Americans do -and its a pain to get a visa (go to the consulate - fill out forms - etc etc ) I think one would spend more time getting the transi
46 Slovacek747 : AS739X... You need to recheck your stats... the two runways at SJC are only 870 feet shorter than the longest one at SFO... At 11,000 ft, SJC can hand
47 Atmx2000 : Well, if there is a market for transcontinental non-stops from SJC it seems India would be a prime candidate.
48 Karan69 : Their oldest owned 747-400 will be 21 years old and the youngest one will be around 16 years old. So they should be in the fleet till 2018-2020 atlea
49 Post contains images USADreamliner : Oh....dont' go there. Is like telling a child that Santa is not real...lol Does AI have good loads from Europe to USA? USADreamliner
50 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I assume you meant transpacific.... .but yes, I agree.....and that is why I felt AI should go to SJC...but I think we all know it ain't happening....
51 Post contains images Atmx2000 : Whoops. Actually, I was thinking intercontinental. Looking at the SJC timetable (http://www.sjc.org/flights/flights.pdf) I see that there is a nonsto
52 Sllevin : The operational issue would be "what to do with the plane?" There's not a lot of space around --just a couple of gates can take the 777 (and there's
53 Post contains images Jacobin777 : their SJC 777 service is to NRT...I love it when it occasionally flies over my house.. AA's SJC-NRT service started back in 1995 (DC-10 service), and
54 EFCar98 : This is sort of an off topic, but when AI leased the 4 ex UA 777s, why did they get one A model vt-air (non ER) instead of all four ERs? Where do they
55 Jaysit : But the BOM-NY route is also the busiest India-US route with the highest yields. Of course, AI would serve this route with its latest and most advanc
56 Nimish : The rest of my post went on to add that the a/c freed up should at the least start serving the rest of the country as well. Not sure if you missed th
57 Mandargb : Hi, I agree with some folks about SFO v/s SJC stuff. Mostly AI would pick SFO if they have to get into bay area. (Pros are this is busiest #of of pass
58 USADreamliner : It would be great if AI could open new markets in USA, like IAH for example. There's a large community from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. I know PIA
59 Post contains images Jacobin777 : PK already flies to IAH....
60 Ourboeing : I thought they were adding IAD to their network. Or wasit just a rumor? OURBOEING
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I would disagree with you about the OAK thing......OAK is well out of the way for most who live in the silicon valley area......and perception, espec
62 DIJKKIJK : actually, they are the cheapest on the LHR-JFK sector. So they do get a decent load on that one. You can often fly that route on AI for GBP 200, and
63 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Agree... but still, some people need to be told....
64 Post contains images N1120A : Flown by the Sultan of Brunei and...??? B747-437B To NRT, not BOM or DEL. India is much longer of a flight
65 Lehpron : I could have sworn 772LR's they had the range to do New Dehli to San Fransisco...? Why no west coast non-stops, yet?
66 Post contains images LH459 : As I understand it, the non-ER airframe is used exclusively for service to the UK, whereas the others serve the UK and YYZ. I'm sure you meant "the o
67 BestWestern : Nobody (sensible) dreams of using AI from Heathrow to the states - they have the UK's worst punctuality. (right, who have I offended?)
68 Post contains images Jasepl : There are, evidently, plenty of people who don't care for pesky little things such as punctuality and ground service! Who cares? A fact is a fact is
69 Jaysit : Expected. However, I wonder why their punctuality out of Heathrow is terrible. Is it because many of the Heathrow flights are routed via Delhi and it
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : they do..........maybe that's what AI is looking into for SFO.... [quote=Jacobin777,reply=53] their SJC 777 service is to NRT...I love it when it occ
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