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EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur  
User currently offlineDxb From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2004, 25 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

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Always abreast of innovations in the industry and equipping itself with the fleet for the future to enhance passengers’ inflight comfort, Emirates has undertaken to refurbish its fleet of Boeing 777-200 aircraft.

The Emirates Engineering Centre is retrofitting all the aircraft in-house with its existing state-of-the-art facilities as well as innovative new systems.

Emirates' current fleet of 88 aircraft includes nine Boeing 777-200s, of which seven have been refurbished and the other two will be ready by January 2007. The First Class cabins of the 777-200 now boast of 12 roomy, lie flat seats that convert to a bed at the touch of a button. A 2-2-2 seat configuration with wider aisles, electrically-operated privacy dividers and in-seat reading lights provide privacy and the comfort of home. The centre seats are pitched up to 84 inches apart and provide easy access to the aisles. The seats have a soothing five-zone massage system while the one-touch seat controls are preset for bed, cradle and upright positions. Personal swivel tables with book functions are available at the touch of a button, as is laptop power.

The Business Class cabins have been converted to feature roomy, sleeperette seats in a 2-3-2 configuration with pitch of up to 60 inches, adjustable winged head-rests with four-way movement for optimum comfort, and in-seat laptop power which provide plenty of room to work or stretch out and relax.

Economy passengers can enjoy more comfort than ever with roomier cabins, 34-inch seat pitch, and adjustable footrests and headrests.

But that’s not all. The 777-200s also have been retrofitted with the ICE (information, communication and entertainment) system, available on passengers’ personal 19-inch digital display screens in First Class and 10.4-inch digital display screens in Business Class.

The system offers more than 500 audio, video and games channels available on demand and is available to customers travelling in every class. Besides the multitude of entertainment options available, ICE offers email and SMS facilities as well. Currently, nearly 35 per cent of Emirates' fleet is fitted with Panasonic’s latest 3000i, dubbed ‘ICE’ at Emirates.

Tim Clark, President Emirates Airline said: “Emirates has always prided itself on its inflight product offering – from service standards to seats and from food to entertainment. We have re-designed the interiors of the Boeing 777-200s to bring them in line with our new Boeing 777-300ERs and the Airbus A340-500s. Although you perceive the same aircraft on the outside, the heart of our 777-200s is beating with re-designed interiors and enhanced entertainment options. The Emirates Engineering Centre has proved it’s a world-class facility, and has done a fantastic job in re-designing and refitting the 777-200s.”

Emirates has also overhauled its 29 A330-200s for increased passenger comfort. The Business Class cabins have been refurbished to increase seat pitch from 48-49 inches to 58-63 inches, with the recline of the seats increased from 11 to 15 inches and height of the leg-rests raised from 6.1 inches to 9.5-12.5 inches depending on the configuration. The eight A340-300s have been similarly refurbished to increase recline and raise the height of the leg-rests.

http://www.emirates.com/uae/AboutEmi...ews/GN_NewsDetail.asp?yr=2006&St=2

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User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
Economy passengers can enjoy more comfort than ever with roomier cabins, 34-inch seat pitch, and adjustable footrests and headrests.

Will economy class in EK B772s still be configured with 10 abreast seating?


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 7062 times:

What does this refurbishing plan have to do with RETROfitting...? Or did I miss something here?

'retro' = 'being the styles and especially the fashions of the past' [britannica.com]



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 7054 times:

Heh, retrofit doesn't have anything to do with that definition of retro.

Retrofit means to upgrade something old (like a house or airplane) with new pieces (like fixtures).

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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 4):
Heh, retrofit doesn't have anything to do with that definition of retro.

Thanks for the correction!  Wink I guess I should have checked the whole word. Big grin

Retro-livery means old style livery though, right?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2480822

Kinda missleading for non-native English speaker, just like 'flammable' and 'inflammable'.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Quoting MEA (Reply 1):
Will economy class in EK B772s still be configured with 10 abreast seating?

You bet they will!  Wink

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

Its the one thing to put me off flying Emirates, 10 abreast. Everything
else is great but I just feel shoe horned in the seat!
Why can they not go 3-3-3??



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User currently offlineEK380 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Although it may still be the same 3-4-3 layout, i found legroom on the 777 really really good.

Guess the 3-4-3 was the sacrifice to get the extra legroom in.

Good to hear that theyre actually taking all those customer complaints seriously and are making some REAL changes Big grin


User currently offlineCXtra From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

are the seats in business the same as those on the b773ers? and what about reconfiguration of the straight b773s - will this happen?


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

3-4-3 on a 777, legroom or not is not good for people with wider behinds (like myself), its positively uncomfortable. I haven't taken EK 3-4-3, but TG 3-4-3 is godawful!


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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5288 times:


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Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
We have re-designed the interiors of the Boeing 777-200s to bring them in line with our new Boeing 777-300ERs



Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
Always abreast of innovations in the industry and equipping itself with the fleet for the future to enhance passengers’ inflight comfort

Is it just me or are these "new" seats, somewhat dated already? To compare with the newest from other airlines

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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
3-4-3 on a 777, legroom or not is not good for people with wider behinds (like myself), its positively uncomfortable

Exactly, I;ve been on TG's 777 with the same config, and it was very narrow, I don't know why "world class" airlines such as EK persist with such seating.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 6):
Why can they not go 3-3-3??



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11):
I don't know why "world class" airlines such as EK persist with such seating.

Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia

Like MEL and SYD.......



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
The seats have a soothing five-zone massage system while the one-touch seat controls are preset for bed, cradle and upright positions.

So is there a box where you drop a quarter in? Just like one of those cheesey hotel message beds of the 70s!



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
So is there a box where you drop a quarter in? Just like one of those cheesey hotel message beds of the 70s!

LOL! and they have mirrors on the ceiling. Seriously though they are using fake wood around the windows etc, it looks like a cheap luxury car.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 13):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia

Like MEL and SYD.......

MEL and SYD are among the most profitable routes for EK!

All of their 777's are 10 across in Y class, including the new 77W's!

I flew an EK 772 and 773 last March, and 10 abreast seating was fine, even though I have never flown an other 777's so I can't compare it to anything, but the seats didn't seem narrow at all.


User currently offlineCrewtagdotcom From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Their First Class product on 777 is pretty current. But their Business Class product is very dated. They need to increase the legroom and the recline if they decide not to introduce flat beds.


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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
MEL and SYD are among the most profitable routes for EK!

That's what I meant, the 777's are used on all routes

Quoting Crewtagdotcom (Reply 17):
Their First Class product on 777 is pretty current

Compared to? BA,MH,SQ,TG all have better First Class than this.



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User currently offlineCXtra From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Quoting Crewtagdotcom (Reply 17):
Their First Class product on 777 is pretty current. But their Business Class product is very dated. They need to increase the legroom and the recline if they decide not to introduce flat beds.

i agree. as i've said before on another thread, ek says its pax don't want lie flat but that excuse certainly doesn't wash with me. their seats in business are far behind the likes of mh, tg, sq, cx, ba etc etc... as mentioned above, the legroom and recline is increased on the b772s, b773ers, a343s and a330s but what about the a345 and b773? these are the two a/c you'd normally fly on a lhr-dxb-syd routing. personally, i don't find the a345 seats that comfortable for these reasons.

having said all this, i'd say we could expect a brand new product on the a388s, as sq have promised, but until then, i'd say emirates seats (but not food, service etc..) are quite far behind.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia

yes, the 772s are heavily utilised on dxb-bkk routes etc and fares are extremely cheap. i recently booked a j class return from bkk to lhr for around AU$2500 (about US$1850).



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User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

I am booked on the LGW-DBX-SYD and return SYD-DBX-LHR in April with 772, A345 and 773ER in Business Class. I must say I am most looking forward to the flights.

The flat bed concept only truly works for all passengers if it is actually flat. That is as we all know something only a few airlines have utilized. I actually do like the look of the EK seat of the 777's and the A345. I have heard they are well padded on the T7's and have very good recline and leg rests. I would prefer this than to be on angle lie bed that makes me feel as though I am sliding down.

As for the Airbus, the reviews I have read made it sound like a very nice product. Together with the service, food and IFE and cabin decor, I cannot wait to try out EK for the first time.

Regards

Paul



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Quoting Crewtagdotcom (Reply 17):
But their Business Class product is very dated. They need to increase the legroom and the recline if they decide not to introduce flat beds.

Isn't that what they've just done? Increased pitch to 60" and recline to match?

Besides, what most people forget about EK is that the service is almost always impeccable, the food excellent and well presented (and plentiful), the IFE top notch, and the booze endless. I've flown way too many airlines in Business where the seats may be new generation, but the service, food and ambience are crap. EK avoids this trap.


User currently offlineCXtra From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
Isn't that what they've just done? Increased pitch to 60" and recline to match?

yes, but as i mentioned, not on the 773 and not the seat pitch on the a345.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
I've flown way too many airlines in Business where the seats may be new generation, but the service, food and ambience are crap.

the seats and pitch are the main reason people fly j, imo.

Quoting Paul (Reply 20):
The flat bed concept only truly works for all passengers if it is actually flat

are you referring to the superiority of ba, vs, nz and sa? i.e. horizontal not inclined. i find that inclined lie flat is still superior to ek non flat seats. i did not feel i was sliding down in cx business. anyway, i'm sure you'll have a great trip with avod ife, food, etc...enjoy.



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
Besides, what most people forget about EK is that the service is almost always impeccable,

Emphasis on "almost". One things for sure they are not an MH or SQ



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User currently offlineEK380 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Quoting CXtra (Reply 22):
are you referring to the superiority of ba, vs, nz and sa? i.e. horizontal not inclined. i find that inclined lie flat is still superior to ek non flat seats. i did not feel i was sliding down in cx business.

Ok..ive always had a question about this stuff.

Dont these airlines loose out on the number of seats in business in the quest of the "lie-flat" concept??
AND
because of this , dont they charge way more than say EK and rest?

VS always talks about their seats being the "biggest beds in Business". But they dont even have a First Class. Infact, their business, is equivalent to other airlines' first- and they charge considerably more than any other airlines' J class product. So why do they classify their "Upper Class" as equivalent to Business? Confused

Personally, I hate the angled lie flat concept. It depends from person to person, some feel that they are sliding down (like me) and others find it absolutely fine.

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25 Paul : I completely agree with you EK380. VS do charge more for their upper class than most for J. I have been extensively investigating Business Class fligh
26 Viscount : I flew in one of those 3-4-3 configured 777s that BA used to operate and it was living hell! I agree with those that think that this config for airlin
27 CXtra : because it is. vs charge similar prices for their upper class to ba, qf, and sq in business. also, there are many more seats than any first class. ye
28 Chrisrad : Thats what I meant, EK are "almost" always good. There is no consistency, and those who beleive EK's service is so superior really do get brainwashed
29 Antskip : I have travelled EK 4-5 times a year the past 5 years in cattle class and never had an experience of poor service. I have found FA's on EK remarkably
30 EK380 : Its definately not all marketing hype. It has always been good, but unforutnately due to the recent "mega expansion" some people have had bad experie
31 Zizou : My flights with Emirates have been good and wouldn't hesitate to fly with them again. But right now, they don't compare too well to Singapore Airlines
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