Modesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 5 Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
After Delta's acquisition of Pan Am's A310s, the Atlanta-based airline operated these aircraft for a short while (I believe on trans-atlantic routes). When did Delta start using them and when/WHY did they discontinue the use of these aircraft. And why doesn't Delta operate any Airbus aircraft now? Thanks.
DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
Some were acquired through PanAm, while others were bought new from Airbus. The A-310s were bears to work on and weren't practical for DL's needs, at the same time Airbus was giving them a hard time about future orders
Qf747sp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1150 times:
Didn't Delta (and Continental for that matter) do some deal with Boeing that they would only purchase Boeing product for a certain period of time? Did American do something similar? I don't know where I heard this, but do remember some discussion.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
Delta never bought new Airbus A310's from the
manufacturer. All were acquired from Pan Am in
1991 with the Atlantic routes (minus Heathrow).
There were 14 or 15 A310-200's and the rest
where A310-300's. Delta might have operated
a few on domestic routes but the majority did
fly the old Pan Am European routes. Delta lost
a lot of money on the Transatlantic routes it
acquired from Pan Am in its first year and DL
started to form partnerships and alliances w/
a number of European airlines. It bought a
block of seats on a number of airlines such
as TAP, Aer Lingus, Swissair, Finnair, Sabena,
and others. Many other routes were dropped
in favor of others. Other routes, such as JFK
to Lisbon, were solely flown by TAP. The
A310's were quickly phased out as 767-300
ER's came on line or were reassigned. Delta
has changed its route structure to Europe
two or three times since 1991 and has had
great success in making the routes quite
profitable by adding a substantial domestic
feed at JFK and until Continental started
to beef up Europe flights from Newark in
1997, Delta was the undisputed market
leader from New York to Europe. In many
ways it still as it at offers more nonstop
flights to more cities in Europe, minus
London, than any other airline.
Many of the A310's were also based at
Frankfurt, a Pan Am mini-hub which
Delta cut back considerably, which is
also why the A310's went quickly.
Also, most of the A310's were in a
really bad shape, reflecting the
financial condition of their previous
owner. Delta probably felt it had to
radically alter the image and dispense
with the Pan Am nostalgia to make
these routes work.
Lastly, Delta, like Continental, did
agree with Boeing on a single supplier
VH-OJO From Slovakia, joined Jan 2000, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1076 times:
Delta DID indeed buy new aircraft from Airbus. I think the number was about 8 or 10 aircraft, all of them the -324ET version. Their registration numbers ended with letters AB (e.g. N843AB, N844AB etc). Some of these are now in service with Aeroflot and Aerolinas Argentinas. They were only used in DL service shortly, perhaps 2 years or so, and then sold off along with the ex-Pan Am 310s to other carriers. Just a slight correction to your post.
Maidoftheseas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1062 times:
I know that DL operated their 310 to europe, from new york to zurich, munchen, stuttgart, frankfurt, (and to mumbai via frankfurt), geneva and paris and in usa, for flights such as orlando-atlanta, miami-atlanta, new york-atlanta...
Ryanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
DL did buy some A310's from Airbus new, I believe two were PA planes that DL took over the order of and others were pure DL. The reasons put out for the sale of the 310's was the fact running A310-200's, A310-300's, B767-200's, B767-300's, B767-300ER's side by side when all do a very similar job was ineffient (ie. expensive) and it made sence to standardise on one type, with the 767 the obvious choice as dL had so many, compared to two dozen or so Airbuses.
Aeroflot about two years ago were still operating some in full DL (which was infact PA fittings, right down to the seat covers) cabin. Kinda funny if you think about it, Aeroflot flying Pan Am planes in more or less full Pan Am kit.
CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1000 times:
Not to get picky, but I believe the A310 - 300s that DL acquired after the Pan Am route purchase were leased, not purchased outright. Airbus probably gave DL a good deal, and saw an opportunity to wedge into new territory. Don't forget that shortly after acquiring these Pan Am routes in Oct. 1991, the economy turned sour and DL in particular fell on black days. One can only speculate that the A310s would have hung on a bit longer under other circumstances. As others have said, you could ride some domestically. In addition to routes others have listed, there was JFK -DFW and JFK - ATL. A friend rode one of the new leased -300s on a transcon. I thought the plane looked nice in DL colors.
DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 985 times:
There were nine airplanes delivered (035-043) directly from Airbus to Delta. As a matter of fact, there was a nice article on the delivery of one of these airplanes in Air & Space magazine. These airplanes were exchanged one for one for leased ex-PA -300's (the -200's were owned). I had heard that Airbus had struck a deal so that DL could get out of the poor lease terms that PA had on those nine airplanes.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.