Gearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
Flew AF459 GRU-CDG two weeks ago. The plane was full, booked out to the last seat. Shortly after everybody was seated F/As switched on the air condition and set it to max.cooling. After 10 min we had around 16°C. Considered that everybody was flying back from warm and humid Sao Paulo and still dressed in light clothing, this sudden switch from warm to cold was everything but comfortable. Throughout the flight everybody was coughing, blowing noses and trying to protect from the cold air. Despite single complains, the F/As didn´t adapt the temperature. In my opinion this is not only useless but also quite unhealthy. Even if there´s a big difference in the temperature at origin and at destination, they should allow the passengers to slowly adapt to the changed climate instead of placing them into a flying freezer. Has anybody made similar experiences?
Gearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7739 times:
Quoting Macc (Reply 5): I only guess that coming from a country of nice clima, the cabin temperature and the low humidity feels like 16 degrees. despite its most of the time configured around 21.
Might be true to a certain extent though it was definitely colder than 21°C believe me. Nonetheless this temperature difference is just to big. They know that every passenger has spent at least some days in Brazil and got adapted to the climate.
Quoting Avianca (Reply 3): I can imagine that this flight left alot of unhappy airfrance customers.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4982 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7663 times:
Once flying EK back from Maldives via DXB, the MLE DXB leg was freezing. Which is ridiculous again considering that Maldives is warm and sunny. Mind you it did get me ready for the kak weather London had in store.
Jush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7645 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 6): Didn't the Helios plane have air-conditioning problems before it went down??
Oh yeah i guess when the Helios cabin attendants tried to change the AC something happened and they run out of air....
Or why the hell is that related in any way to this topic at all.
I just think it was deceptive. I remember flying back from GRU to FRA with LH and the longer you feel the AC air it seems to be colder.
Especially when you get more tired during later flight stages.
There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
ZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7559 times:
Cabin temperature - I guess you could discuss hours about it. Personally, I never understood the logic behind it (if there is any at all, that is). But proper dressing will help regardless of the cabin resembling a freezer or an oven.
I usually wear a short-sleeved shirt with a rather warm pullover. That looks formal enough (just in case you meet some customers onboard), but keeps you warm even in cold cabins. If the cabin is warm, you can remove the pullover, which you can also stow in your handluggage if you come from (or fly to) a rather warm region.
Also, I would usually have a pair of warm socks in my handluggage, especially when travelling from warm regions. Then your feet won't sweat while you're at the airport (so you can remove or at least open your shoes during the flight), still if it is getting too cold, you have a chance of keeping your feet warm.
What I would never wear on long-haul flights is a suit. Not even in business. Smart-casual outfit and well-groomed overall appearance is fine enough in my eyes (I'm not about wearing jeans, a sweater and some sneakers), and that leaves me with the opportunity to dress functionally.
Btw, for those who have problems with their mucous membrane, because of the dry air: there are nasal sprays based on seawater (with no chemicals added). I tried them for the first time a couple of months ago, and they really do a great job. They won't help you keeping your nose open when you have a cold, but they will keep your nose from drying out.
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7758 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7532 times:
Quoting Gearup380 (Reply 8): Might be true to a certain extent though it was definitely colder than 21°C believe me
How do you know the exact temperature, or is it just your perception?
Aircraft are dry. If you have come from a humid area (brazil) you will immediatly notice the difference in humidity. 21c is a perfect room temperature. At night, your body temperature falls, add that to lack of sleep, end of holiday blues and you feel colder even more.
I really doubt that AF were trying to freeze you out. Most aircraft have temperature monitoring systems in the cabin so would identify an over cold cabin.
In the B744/B777/A332/A343, F/A can adjust the temperature in the PAX cabin.
The Cockpit makes a pre-selection of an average temperature, (usually 21° or 22°) and the F/A can make this temp. vary +/- 5°, or +/- 2,5° around the pre-selected temp., according to the aircraft type.
Sorry to say that but 16°c in an aircraft in a normal situation is impossible.
The problem comes more from the aircraft conception : in the A332/A343 and the B777, some areas are very difficult to warm up due to the air conditionning system itself : around the doors 3 in the A332/A343, in the middle of the main central cabin in the B777 (last rows of the Business Cabin/first rows of Y in AF's Config) and in the last rows at the rear.
Same problem in the Front Galley in the A320's aircraft family.
This is a problem concerning all the airlines operating these aircraft types, not only AF.
Gearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7473 times:
Well, it doesn't actually matter if it was 16°C, 18°C or 19°C, it was just too cold, not only for me, for everybody, otherwise people wouldn't have started to freeze, cough, blow noses, cover under balnkets, pullovers etc. So my suggestion to the airlines would be not to follow strict temperature rules, but to adapt the temperature according to outside climate at origin and destination so that in the end the customer is satisfied and can enjoy the flight which for this trip was hardly the case.
SU From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6866 times:
F/As are able to control temperature in planes, even in separate sections of the plane as mentioned above.
You can never please anyone with air temperature in the aircraft. You have 300-400 pax and they all want hot/cold/warm and etc. I noticed that usually US carriers keep the air in planes much cooler then other carries. This is strictly cultural and americans do enjoy colder indoor temperature and more used to air conditioning then others. Me and my partner (he is american and I am russian) always have this problem, especially traveling together. It's too hot for him and too cold for me. He actually tries to fly US carriers as the air is much cooler in planes.
So the solution is wear adequate close - short sleeve t-shirt and warm jumper or sweatshirt.
B777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6619 times:
The reason why the cabin temperature is cold, rather than hot is, I believe, because it's much easier for a passenger to adapt in colder temperatures. One can easily throw in a blanket or two and be fine. When the temperature is hot, one can only take so much clothes off and it's much more uncomfortable to bear. Plus, if you think about it, germs and the likes spread/thrive much easier in warm temperatures than in cold ones. Plus, you know it's never possible to please EVERYBODY. Having a 100% general concensus is literally impossible. There's always someone that ruins the party If you have four or five complaints, the only thing the F/As can say is "sorry" and give you a blanket, unfortunately.
FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7467 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6579 times:
Quoting SU (Reply 16): You can never please anyone with air temperature in the aircraft. You have 300-400 pax and they all want hot/cold/warm and etc
This is very true ...
One is calling you because "it's freeeezing in this plane !!!".
You do your job, warm up the cabin, and 5 minutes later, another one seating three rows behind the previous PAX calls on you because "It's too hot in your f*** plane" ...
GeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6481 times:
Ah, the good old days of flying the 707 and DC-8s. I remember once complaining about how cold the cabin was, and was told that the real problem was actually cooling the cabin rather than heating it. I'm still scratching my head wanting an explanation. But over the years, I've learned to dress warmly for 35,000 feet. I don't understand how the slobs get onto an aircraft in shorts, tank tops, and sandal's and not freeze their cogliones off. My sweatshirt is always packed for action 15 minutes into the flight out of south Florida, and while I am frequently accused of dressing as a non revenuer when I fly international up front, I usually drop the pretenses shortly into the flight and change into the warm, floppy sweatshirt for the rest of the trip. Beats bitching about the temperature that I know I can't control.
"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero