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User currently offlineFlyMKG From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10034 times:

In my Airline Administration class tonight we had a guy that works for UA at MSP come and speak to us. He mentioned the following rumors:

1. UA & CO to merge. He said he doesn't think this will happen because its a little too far fetched and fleet commonality issues.

2. In the next 5-10 years United will have PTVs in all planes.

3. If the bankruptcy judge voids the NW pilot's contract, NW will be forced to declare Chapter 7 and liquidate. He said NW is such a mess right now in all aspects that there is no way they could handle a pilot strike.

He also mentioned some fun facts:

1. UA doesn't like the 744 and would much rather fly the 772 on long routes.

2. UA pays 122 million dollars a year for legal fees under bankruptcy. It is were all their profits go.

3. UA paid US 100 million dollars when the merger fell through as a good faith move.

4. Outsourcing the maintenance has hidden costs. He gave the example that for every 10 million they pay to have outsourcing do the maintenance work, UA must pay 1-2 million to correct the mistakes made in the original work.

5. The latest you are allowed to check in is now 30 minutes before departure time. This is up from 20 minutes.

What are your thoughts?

FlyMKG

[Edited 2006-01-31 04:10:03]


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User currently offlineDesiguy2447 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9985 times:

Yes, NWA is a big mess, and if a strike happens around Feb 16th NWA will close down for good. I highly doubt a strike is going to occur because in this case everyone at NWA will be out of a job. I see a deal with the pilots being reached in the 9th hour.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):

2. In the next 5-10 years United will have PTVs in all planes.

3. If the bankruptcy judge voids the NW pilot's contract, NW will be forced to declare Chapter 7 and liquidate. He said NW is such a mess right now in all aspects that there is no way they could handle a pilot strike.

These two caught my attention
#2...that will be very nice.

#3 it is something we know, but wonder what would happen if it were to go CH7. Would UA take up some of it?

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
1. UA doesn't like the 744 and would much rather fly the 772 on long routes.

That is a surprise. No mention of 773s possibly coming in as replacements? (we know it won't happen but sure would be nice).

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
4. Outsourcing the maintenance has hidden costs. He gave the example that for every 10 million they pay to have outsourcing do the maintenance work, UA must pay 1-2 million to correct the mistakes made in the original work.

So why the heck are airlines doing it?



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9875 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
So why the heck are airlines doing it?

Seems quite illogical, but then again, so does driving 100 miles to catch a slightly cheaper flight. Some people don't notice the equal amount of money flying out of their pocket.



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User currently offlineMLIGRBZW825 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9875 times:

The Airlines are outsourcing work because they hate the unions that representing them. They're basically saying we'll pay extra because your not union, and we won't have the deal with the unions.


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User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

So what would happen IF NW were to liquidate? Would i be S.O.L. with my trip in March (to CDG)? or could i re-book with another airline?

User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
3. If the bankruptcy judge voids the NW pilot's contract, NW will be forced to declare Chapter 7 and liquidate. He said NW is such a mess right now in all aspects that there is no way they could handle a pilot strike.

Management is the one with the short straw this time...

Quoting Desiguy2447 (Reply 1):
I highly doubt a strike is going to occur because in this case everyone at NWA will be out of a job. I see a deal with the pilots being reached in the 9th hour.

I do as well but then again, I wouldn't call the pilot's bluff because just like the current DL pilots they are prepared and ready to walk... And let's just say I wouldn't put it past NW management to let their ego's get in their way and call the pilot's bluff in hopes of some sort of legal loop-hole forcing the pilots to accept that of what they do not want.

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 5):
So what would happen IF NW were to liquidate? Would i be S.O.L. with my trip in March (to CDG)? or could i re-book with another airline?

Other carriers by federal law would accomodate via standby for something like $50, and I'm sure codeshare partners like CO and DL would pitch in, but then again if NW pilots walk so too might the DL pilots unless DL drastically upped what NW management wasn't willing to.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9671 times:
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Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
In my Airline Administration class tonight we had a guy that works for UA at MSP come and speak to us. He mentioned the following rumors:

And his credentials are what? A gate agent, a station manager?

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
3. If the bankruptcy judge voids the NW pilot's contract, NW will be forced to declare Chapter 7 and liquidate. He said NW is such a mess right now in all aspects that there is no way they could handle a pilot strike

While NW hasn't planned for a pilot or flight attendant strike, we still are most likely in better "long-term" shape than any other legacy carrier, including UA. We have less LCC competitiion than any other carrier. Our network is so much more simplified than most other carriers. And our hbs are much mre efficienly operating with minimal congestion in the summer months. Once the labour issue is settled, (and it will be without a strike) NW will be a better solvent than it was before 9/11. Our temporary paycuts that we (the FA's) took, right now are lower than UA's, and those are with only a quarter of the cuts that NW is seeking. UA is exactly the opposite, they're still losing a staggering amount of money, and spending alike there's no tomorrow. Their operation is still expensive and very complicated. They're under assault at most of it's major hubs with LCC competition. And with F9 and WN at DEN, leaves much to be concerned with.

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
2. UA pays 122 million dollars a year for legal fees under bankruptcy. It is were all their profits go.

Well he might want to read about 182 million dollar "operating" loss for the last quarter.

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts?

Not much. I think this guy is filling your minds with innacurate and uninformed information about the competition, and is glossing over the truth about the real numbers for UA



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User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9591 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
5. The latest you are allowed to check in is now 30 minutes before departure time. This is up from 20 minutes.

This one is true. I heard it from my UA contacts as well. Apparently customers are getting sick and tired waiting to get upgrades, so it'll be faster for them due to less waiting... and for those nonrevs on the standby list, too!


User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

He works for UA at MSP ... so, I assume he's not a key executive: btw, what is his position? ... Baggage Handler?

I think most of what you heard was conjecture, nothing more.


User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9532 times:
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Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
He said NW is such a mess right now in all aspects that there is no way they could handle a pilot strike.

Like DL, CO, UA, AA, etc etc could successfully handle a pilot strike?



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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
we still are most likely in better "long-term" shape than any other legacy carrier, including UA.

Okay, I've picked myself up off the floor...

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
We have less LCC competitiion than any other carrier.

WN could start MSP service tomorrow (it would probably be a killer market for them, as the fares are high in comparison to other similarly-sized hubs; one of the prerequisites for them entering a city)...they're in DTW, and NK and FL have eyes on DTW as well...MEM, well...who the hell wants to fly to MEM anyway.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
Our network is so much more simplified than most other carriers.

Huh? You have hubs in MoTown, SnowTown and NoTown, virtually no presence in the Northeast, California, Texas or Florida (the big domestic regions for current passenger counts and/or growth), a European operation that relies heavily on a partner that is owned by someone else, and where your bid for ATI was preliminarily ruled against (and subsequently withdrawn), and no presence in Latin America. Truly simple.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
And our hbs are much mre efficienly operating with minimal congestion in the summer months.

But two of them are a real bitch in the winter...which in MSP lasts 10 months...

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
Once the labour issue is settled, (and it will be without a strike)

NW has had some of the most contentious "labor issues" in the industry for years...

Seriously, I wish NW all the best, but they are far from being in better shape than anyone, long or short-term. Labor issues are just the beginning. Hubs in MSP and MEM that would not be missed by anyone if they were gone tomorrow. Traffic from the hub in DTW could just as easily be accommodated by AA and UA in ORD, DL in CVG, WN in MDW and without barely a blip in those airlines' load factor.

Don't even get me started on the DC9s, which eventually will need to be replaced...

The Pacific operation is the one crown jewel...


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9499 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
That is a surprise. No mention of 773s possibly coming in as replacements? (we know it won't happen but sure would be nice).

I wouldn't write that one off just yet, with the 773ER making a good run, UA might just be studying that as a viable option.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22682 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 11):
But two of them are a real bitch in the winter...which in MSP lasts 10 months...

DTW and MSP both operate better in the winter than ORD, CLE, EWR, BOS, LGA, JFK, PHL, or PIT (in its heydey).



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
UA paid US 100 million dollars when the merger fell through as a good faith move.

That's all? It wasn't a "good faith" move, either...they contractually liable to pay US a breakup fee. I was under the impression it was closer to $200 million, but $500 milllon sticks in my mind, too.

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
Outsourcing the maintenance has hidden costs. He gave the example that for every 10 million they pay to have outsourcing do the maintenance work, UA must pay 1-2 million to correct the mistakes made in the original work.



Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):



Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
So why the heck are airlines doing it?

I wish they wouldn't do it, plain and simple. But, the reason is plain and simple economics. Even with 10-20% unplanned costs, UA still is ahead of the game having the contractors do it. My dad was a mechanic for 35 years and made a very nice wage for a HUGE responsibility...now some clown overseas does it for a fraction of the price so the public can have a dirt cheap fare.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 7):
Not much. I think this guy is filling your minds with innacurate and uninformed information about the competition, and is glossing over the truth about the real numbers for UA



Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 9):
I think most of what you heard was conjecture, nothing more.

 checkmark Yep...well said. I'd also like to know what his title is in MSP. For all you/we know, he heard all this from another unreliable source. 99% of rumors are lies, and the other 1% is the truth, but the chances of you hearing that 1% is slim and none, and slim just left town.


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

OK I am no executive and in fact I dont even work in the airline industry, just a hobby for me.........that said,.......I Don't feel bad for any of our "legacy" carriers that are in trouble.

9/11, as awful and shocking as it was, it may of been just the excuse or shot in the mouth the airlines needed, whichever way you look at it.

I find it stunning that in the wake of 9/11 WN still makes a profit. Tell me all about the high costs of the other airlines, the high fuel, the bad this and that. But how is it that B6 and WN (others as well)can maintain profits, buy NEW airplanes, expand, and have the long-term employees that they have?

United is the worst as far as I'm concerned. And it is not the main employees fault. It's not the gate agent, (they didn't decide to give the "business" traveler what they wanted when they offered 12 to 16 daily non-stop flights between SEA-ORD/DEN/SFO) or the F/A's (who had the joy of working half empty flights in the summer), or the Pilot (whom had to be wondering what more he/she could do to stay awake while sitting in the heat at ORD 22nd in line to take-off), or the baggage handler. All of whom have had to eat the S*** that upper management has thrown at them.

NW, DL, CO, AA, and UA have done MOST of this to themselves. The worst part is, the ones who built these airlines pay the price. While the brass leave with million dollar bonuses.

Just the thought of NW's brass letting a strike happen is reason for them to all stand within the intake of a 773 as it takes off.

I hope that no more airlines go the route of PanAm or Eastern. Some however, I think brought it upon themselves more than others. All are guilty as far as I'm concerned.



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User currently offlineXstro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9243 times:

This makes me laugh. You have everyone saying who needs NW and they are done.

For starters they (other than bankrupt UA) own most of Asia from the US and are a significant player in Europe with the ties to KLM.

Who really thinks the pilots will walk? I don't. Should I (if I were a pilot) vote myself out of a job because the union thinks I should. Sure, some pilots could get a job a Wal-Mart as a greeter and earn about the same but what is that percent? 3%?

I personally belive that the pilots, flight attendants, and ground workers have no where to turn. If one strikes, all are done.

Once all of the dust has settled NW will be one of the strongest domestic and international carriers. The employees will benefit from major gains in stock and the labor strife will be history.

Time will tell and I put all my chips on NW and the employees working this out.

Four months ago half of all A netters said UA was dead and how many 747's would NW pick up. Dont believe me? Do a search.

Have a drink on me.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
DTW and MSP both operate better in the winter than ORD, CLE, EWR, BOS, LGA, JFK, PHL, or PIT (in its heydey).

Totally. They know how to handle the weather. And...you don't have to go outside when you change planes do you? Even the regionals have gates now.

I hadn't been through MSP in several years, but this last winter went through there and was extremely impressed. It is much better than DTW (service wise).

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 11):
Huh? You have hubs in MoTown, SnowTown and NoTown, virtually no presence in the Northeast, California, Texas or Florida (the big domestic regions for current passenger counts and/or growth), a European operation that relies heavily on a partner that is owned by someone else, and where your bid for ATI was preliminarily ruled against (and subsequently withdrawn), and no presence in Latin America. Truly simple.

Well you don't need to go to every corner to have a good network. NW has CO and DL to cover some of those areas use codeshares in others. But you know DL has a great Latin and European market but no Asian Market and no Midwest market. CO goes many places but still uses NW for many codeshares in Asia. NW is critical for the upper midwest economy which has massive ties to Asia (ie, ginseng & wood trade). UA and AA have pulled out of these markets leaving NW the only carrier to offer inline small midwestern station to global destination.

It sounds like you don't like the NW/KL relationship and feel that NW should break away from KL/AF and only fly its own metal competing in a market that is already getting heavily flooded by other European carriers and U.S. carriers. Why should they enter it, if they can use long established carriers to do the job for them and still profit from it.

I personally think and hope that NW will recover from this mess in pretty good shape. It is gonna be rough, but if NW were to go Chapter 7, not only MSP and DTW but many upper midwest and plain states as well would be in economic trouble.



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Lots of NW and MSP stuff in here, but I'll jump at this one.

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
1. UA doesn't like the 744 and would much rather fly the 772 on long routes.

I heard the exact opposite. The lease rates on the 744s are many times better than that of the 777, which is just one of the things contributing to a lower operation cost. Also, if UA decides to go shopping, don't expect them to buy one product just cause they have some already.


User currently offlineLondonlady71 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
5. The latest you are allowed to check in is now 30 minutes before departure time. This is up from 20 minutes



can no one do this out of heathrow please, you wouldnt have even reached the start of the secruity queue by then!


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8576 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
UA & CO to merge. He said he doesn't think this will happen because its a little too far fetched and fleet commonality issues

Besides the fact that UA is more of a PW fan and CO is more GE, they have a lot of types in common. B777/767/757/737, UA could get rid of its A320s and buy B737NGs and they would basically have the same mainline fleet, minus the engine types.

They would also have a strong eastern presences with Newark and ORD.

I doubt this would ever happen. I really doubt that any airline would dump the A32X.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
In my Airline Administration class tonight we had a guy that works for UA at MSP come and speak to us. He mentioned the following rumors

UA does not have any employees in the MSP area that would have knowledge about the plans of UA let alone NW. What are his qualifications?


User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8354 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
3. If the bankruptcy judge voids the NW pilot's contract, NW will be forced to declare Chapter 7 and liquidate. He said NW is such a mess right now in all aspects that there is no way they could handle a pilot strike.


Thanks for the laugh!

This is like saying, I work for the University of Michigan, and I have great personal insight into jetBlue, and I know that they are planning a MAJOR order of 787's next month. They are looking at 90-115 of them.

I don't understand how anyone can take at face value anything one person employed at one company about another.

Does he know the "mess" at NW? Does he know what NW is planning on doing? If yes, someone needs to look at security at NW since these rogue UAL people seem to keep getting into their board rooms!

[Edited 2006-01-31 15:55:04]


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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8295 times:

Quoting FlyMKG (Thread starter):
UA doesn't like the 744 and would much rather fly the 772 on long routes.

If true, another potential 748 customer going down the drain...  cry 



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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8037 times:

While UA 744s will eventually be replaced, I doubt it'll be by 772s. 744 is an integral part of United's network. What else can you send to Asia and Australia?

Alex.



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25 EHHO : Asia should be no problem actually, seeing how well AA, KE, NH and the like cope with 772 on Asia-US routes. Australia is more problematic though, in
26 Ual777 : I was in ORD ops in 2000, and was talking with the 777 chief pilot. He said UA was looking HARD at the now 773ER and the 772LR. However, we all know
27 Yanqui67 : This is so funny, I almost forgot but, I thought that Delta AMTs are not unionized, and they are still getiing $hitcanned. Union or not. Find another
28 FlyMKG : The guy was a baggage handler who is set to move up into a low level desk job at MSP. He said that information about NW was based on first hand accoun
29 Airbazar : It's irrelevant. I arrive 2 hours before the flight but they only have 2 checking agents at work. By the time I get to the front of the line, it's 15
30 YULWinterSkies : FlyMKG, this is the most brilliant thread title ever!!!!!
31 UAL777UK : Exactly...If this guy is so clued up, why is he not at UA's WHQ pulling all the shots...this is bull...sorry!
32 Jetjack74 : And you can put it back in your pants, too. WN stated before that it is unlikely that they'll start service to MSP anytime soon, becuase of the high
33 Joeman : In terms of actual closure, delays or something else? ORD just seems like a no brainer on any count but is there comparative data available to cite?
34 Bernard Shakey : Are you freaking kidding? The poster child for how NOT to handle a snowstorm was NW at DTW and MSP a few years back. There were planes full of people
35 Ramprat74 : Going from the ramp to a lower management job at United isn't moving up. We don't even have our own maintenance people in MSP. We do all A319/A320 ma
36 Post contains images CO767FA : First and foremost, if he is privy to any "inside" information; his disclosure would be very interesting to the SEC. So, I seriously doubt he would h
37 Jetjack74 : It was a one time incident, not a trend. In fact, NW used the incident as a PR weapon, when the blackout hit the upper NE US in 2003, NW's used the i
38 COERJ145 : If I had had an award ticket on NW from BOS to TUS for july operated by CO and DL and NW went Ch. 7 in feb., would CO+DL accept my ticket? or would I
39 Halls120 : A simple domestic route structure and a common fleet, for starters. true up to a point. No doubt most of their failures are self-inflicted. But many
40 CO767FA : How long has B6 paid on their A320 leases and maintenance? You really can't compare their relative short term success to the WN success story. They b
41 Alphascan : I'd be interested to know the name of the school that hires an instructor who brings in a baggage handler to give a talk on anything other than the f
42 CO767FA : So what....the OP was forthright in that he clarified the speaker's credentials. What is your point with this post?
43 Post contains images Ramprat74 : It's OK, he stayed at a Holiday Inn the night before.
44 Alphascan : The point is that the original poster is paying money to some school who hires an instructor who brings in a non-credible person to speak on issues o
45 CO767FA : OH, I'm sorry...I didn't realize you were in the class too!
46 LawnDart : You don't even know me, and yet you get so personal... I don't imagine WN would announce their intention of starting service too far in advance. The
47 Rdwelch : Timing is everything. LMAO
48 PCE7306 : I heard Continental Express was taking over NW's ground handling in cities they share because NW is such a mess.
49 Airwest : Here is my question. Do any of you besides jetjack who have posted here actually work for the two companies in question? You all seem so defensive, or
50 Post contains links and images Jetjack74 : I'm not attacking you personally, i'm attacking your obeservations, which aren't really proving why UA is any better shape than NW. US came out of ba
51 IceTitan447 : I heard it was 50 million Get that out of your system, after tomorrow you wont have that excuse. WOW, you know there isn't one UA person in MSP that
52 Gigneil : This is wrong. Their European operation relies on KLM, with which they have the most integrated operations of any US and EU carrier, and the ORIGINAL
53 Bobnwa : I would not have to know a lot of people since UA does not employ many people in MSP. It is just a spoke station for them. They probably have a stati
54 Junction : Guilty of what? That's what they all say. That's pretty good. What other nicknames do you have for hubs?
55 Post contains images LawnDart : Sure you are. And you did it again. I've looked, but I can't find where I said UA is a solvent company and NW is about to go out of business. What I
56 Ramprat74 : Yes
57 UAL777 : BUUURN!
58 Post contains images Corey07850 : I can't believe all the fighting that a few rumors given by a baggage handler in an Airline Administration class can cause...
59 Bobnwa : Yes
60 FlyMKG : The guy that came to speak graduated last April. He came to town to visit his girlfriend who is the TA for the class. The instructor thought it would
61 Post contains images Jerion : I wouldn't be surprised if WN does enter the MSP market in the next year or so. Some WN employees have stated that buzz around MDW is that they will b
62 Ricanprez1 : Regarding the A319/A320 maintenance in house. Are you referring to just line maintenance or maintenance as a whole? I'm an ex-UAL employee, laid off
63 GoCOgo : Not to say DTW and MSP do bad in the winter, but many of those airports you list aren't too shabby, either. CLE saw a record snowfall last winter and
64 Post contains images Goaliemn : Thats likeme saying my friend, whos the manager at the Electronics department at Walmart, setup to move to store manager, heard from his friends at t
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