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NZ To Pull Out From NGO  
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

This is going ahead last flight will be 28Mar06


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User currently offlineIsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

what are the reasons for this move?

User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Does this mean that NZ are pulling all 767's out of Asian destinations? The new T7 will go SIN, HKG, & PVG eventually. What aircraft will be used on KIX and NRT routes?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
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Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 1):
what are the reasons for this move?

Poor passenger number. Some flights only leave under half full


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 2):
Does this mean that NZ are pulling all 767's out of Asian destinations? The new T7 will go SIN, HKG, & PVG eventually. What aircraft will be used on KIX and NRT routes?

That's generally the plan I think. NRT will get the 777 as well, and Kansai will probably get it once most/all of 772s arrives. I saw for a random date later in the year that NRT was going to have the 772 by then.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4016 times:
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yes, KIX and NRT will get 777's

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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

NRT gets 777's from 26/03/06. Daily
KIX from 30/07/06. 5x weekly
HKG from 01/07/06 5x weekly
SIN from 17/02/06 Daily


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

This flight has been 3 weekly and not doing well. A few years back they were doing it seasonally but even then it wasn't doing well. It would be better if they could have offered something like NGO-(Tropical island)-AKL. I always felt their time slot was not the best for people traveling on to ANA domestic connections or connecting to Star Alliance flights. You could fly to NGO and connect to NZ, but on return you almost needed to stay overnight to connect to a local destination.

I will be sad to see this go. Even with a new airport facility and greater connections, NZ just never got the business it should have received.

Since opening we have gained and lost. AA came and left, AC is leaving again and now NZ. We will gain Finnair and EK, but we are loosing Stars Left and right here.

With them leaving, the only way to go from NGO to OZ or NZ is on Australian or via KIX and NRT.

I hope in the future they will come back.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

The flight used to operate via NAN.

Also during the 1997/98 Asian crisis they actually upped NGO to 4 weekly operating 2 weekly AKL-NAN-NGO and 2 weekly AKL-NGO-FUK before FUK was dropped. Then sometime later all NGO services became non stop ex AKL.


User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

When you say people traveling on to NH flights it is pretty strange that NZ have better ties with JL and codeshare with JL rather than NH. I know that this relationship started before NZ joined Star Alliance but it's been many years and why didn't NZ try to work with NH?

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3804 times:
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Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 9):
When you say people traveling on to NH flights it is pretty strange that NZ have better ties with JL and codeshare with JL rather than NH. I know that this relationship started before NZ joined Star Alliance but it's been many years and why didn't NZ try to work with NH?

I think that part of the problem IIRC is that under the bilateral JL is the designated Japanese carrier to New Zealand - so it is either work with them or work with no-one. ( I could be wrong on this .. but they used to be the designated carrier .. anyone know if the bilateral has been updated ) . The relationship goes back a long way - few now remember that when NZ was originally privatised back in '88(?) JL and AA took small shareholdings ( a lot smaller than QFs shareholding obviously)


edited to add:

it's a shame that they are pulling out of the airport with the best domestic connections - I would have preferred to see them try retiming the flight to overnight AKL-NGO to take advantage of the new airports connecting possibilities - at the moment the flights arrive too late into NGO for anything other than O&D

[Edited 2006-01-31 10:01:35]


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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

A shame to see NGO go.
So with TPE and NGO being dropped, where is this extra B767 capacity being redeployed?

Over the years, NZ have dissapeared from the following Asian airports:

KUL
DPS
BKK
TPE
SEL
NGO
FUK

Let's hope the 777s do better business on whats left of their Asian network.


User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 11):
So with TPE and NGO being dropped, where is this extra B767 capacity being redeployed?

Some of the B767's will be retired out of NZ fleet when leasing contract expires which could be this year or next.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3742 times:
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Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 12):
Some of the B767's will be retired out of NZ fleet when leasing contract expires which could be this year or next.

supposedly there will still be 5 767s for a few years - but once the 777 take over HKG NRT KIX the 767s will do

1 daily to LAX via either APW/TBU or NAN or RAR/PPT
2-4 weekly to HNL ( depending on the season .. and yet another service which
rumour has said may be dropped )
4-7 weekly to PER depending on season
assorted transTasman and South Pacific flights ( although more and more
of these seem to be operated by A320s )

doesn't actually seem a lot of utilisation for 5 x 767 to me ... more like 3-4 a/c ???



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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Once NZ are down to 5 763's probably end of this year or early next, they will be on

AKL-HNL 3-4 weekly
AKL-NAN-LAX 3 weekly
AKL-RAR-PPT-LAX 3 weekly
AKL-TBU-APW-LAX 1 weekly
AKL-PER daily

Thats probably about 3.5 aircraft, and another will probably do a daily AKL-SYD then return and do an AKL-PPT, APW or RAR flight overnight.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
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on the bright side ....

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Busine...aily/2006/02/01/1138590549494.html

Air New Zealand is to increase its San Francisco route to a daily service from June this year.

First introduced with a frequency of three non-stop services a week between Auckland and San Francisco in June 2004, the popularity of the route resulted in services being doubled to six times weekly less than six months later, the airline said.......



edited to add " Bugger ! Legacyins beat me to it "

NZ To Go Daily Into SFO (by Legacyins Feb 1 2006 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2006-02-01 07:26:03]


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User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

What aircraft will be used on CHC-Japan routes?

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

I think that even when the 777s come online, we will not see them in NGO. Maybe we will see some of the 787s. But they really do need to retime their arrival to line up with NH, SQ, TG and UA. If they were to arrive in the morning, they could have effective transfers to many chinese destinations (smaller ones) and domestic Japan.

Hey with the annoucement of the 737-700ER, maybe NZ can relaunch NGO! If they were only filling a 767 half, why not fill a 737 full?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 17):
they could have effective transfers to many chinese destinations (smaller ones) and domestic Japan.

Again, it really depends who NZ should partner with, JL or NH? Anyway when NZ commence AKL-PVG later this year, pax going to China won't need to go through Japan.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 17):
If they were only filling a 767 half, why not fill a 737 full?

Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Xiaotung...you just destroyed my plans for NGO domination and NZ resumption of NGO service...NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?

I just asked about CHC-Japan service because I think these routes will still be using 767's.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
Xiaotung...you just destroyed my plans for NGO domination and NZ resumption of NGO service...NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Sorry, that destroyed my plan to visit NGO later this year as well. Was hoping to transfer onto NH service to Shanghai. Now I have to go via either KIX or NRT.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 21):
Sorry, that destroyed my plan to visit NGO later this year as well

It could still happen. Just pray that your flight to KIX gets diverted due to a storm or something.



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User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
It could still happen. Just pray that your flight to KIX gets diverted due to a storm or something.

That'll cause serious problem to my connecting flight.


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 21):
I just asked about CHC-Japan service because I think these routes will still be using 767's.

What CHC-Japan routes? NZ don't have any and never did that I no of. They only operate Japan-CHC as a stop over on the way back to AKL. These flights from KIX and NRT to CHC and onto AKL will all be 777's by August this year.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?

Those aircraft were 18-19 years old when NZ sold them so no it wouldn't have made any sence to have kept any.


25 NZ1 : Like ZK-NBT said, they were old. ZK-NBA was 20 years old. They were costing an absolute bomb to maintain. NBB and NBC's EOL checks were spent replaci
26 Xiaotung : What? I was just reading Air NZ inflight magazine and it was shown clearly on the route map that NZ serve both KIX and NRT out of CHC non-stop.
27 NZ1 : NZ don't fly to KIX or NRT or ANYWHERE in Japan out of CHC. The only flights inbound are from KIX and NRT before heading up to AKL. NZ98 and NZ90 I th
28 ZK-NBT : Well it may of said that but they don't actually fly the route North bound. They serve KIX/NRT-CHC.
29 Xiaotung : Thanks for the explanation.
30 Planemanofnz : Will NZ be flying 767's the other days or will this route maintain 777's with 5x weekly because of the extra capacity? So now NZ's asian network will
31 Flyjetstar : It might be a huge dissapointment but we can't expect NZ to operate flights that are loosing money, can we? It would be great if there were more inte
32 Planemanofnz : Yes, CHC does not have enough traffic to justify more long-haul flights. An exapmle of this is NZ reducing it's CHC-LAX service to seasonal. AKL is a
33 Aerorobnz : Jakarta I doubt will be happening in a hurry, the traffic between here and Indonesia is hardly enough to keep GA coming to AKL 2x a week with a333 le
34 Dreamflight767 : On a thread a few weeks ago, I asked why this airport was loosing some major international airlines/service. It was never replied to. So what gives? W
35 Xiaotung : Just a guess. Could it be that the new NGO charges more landing fee?
36 Planemanofnz : Well I thought it could be an en-route stop for a possible AKL-India service. I agree, KUL definately is a possibility. What decision are you talking
37 Zkojh : I thought the fleet order was going to be around June, , I'm eager to hear about anything new in May!! May - this will be confirming PVG - selling tic
38 AerorobNZ : It's not actually an NZ decision per se, but it will affect us if it goes ahead. We will see if it happens or not.
39 Planemanofnz : Bi-lateral agreements between us and another nation?
40 Post contains images NZ1 : You big tease. Just tell them NZ1
41 Flyer88 : Is there any rationality with NZ doing the same as QF and launching an international no (some) frills service. QF has JQ and at the moment AO which wi
42 Aerorobnz : Well it is still up in the air, it may not happen.
43 Flyjetstar : Wasn't meaning it to sound like a complaint! I was referring to NZ and it's direct flights.
44 Kiwiandrew : don't tell me the MH are once again rumoured to be pulling out of AKL ?
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