KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9494 times:
The first GE/PW 7200 has been installed on the A380 (MSN009), has there been any orders for the A380 with the GP7200? Didn't FedEx order their A380 with the 7200. Can anyone see the GP7200 overselling the RR. Im pretty sure that the A330 made its first flight with PW engines, and the B777 flew first with PWs. Both not being the dominate choice for those aircraft.
PM From Japan, joined Feb 2005, 5134 posts, RR: 59 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9169 times:
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): has there been any orders for the A380 with the GP7200?
Four airlines have selected the EA GP7200 so far: Air France, FedEx, Korean and, of course, Emirates. Seven have chosen the RR Trent 900: SIA, Virgin, QANTAS, Lufthansa, Malaysian, Etihad and China Southern
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1): 777 and A330 both first flew with the GE90 and GE GF6 respectively.
The 777 first flew with PW4000. The first A330s were, indeed, powered by CF6s but the engine sold very poorly and the first two A330s were converted to RR and delivered to Cathay. The CF6 is still the least popular of the three engines options on the A330.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2781 posts, RR: 75 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9100 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 5): The CF6 is still the least popular of the three engines options on the A330.
Well thats very intersting PM. Would you happen to have the brake down of powerplants that each RR, GE and PW have sold on the A330?
Its also going to be interesting to see what powerplant Tap will be choosing for their 7 new built A330. I would lean towards PW as they have recently bought 3 (ex BlueWings A330.)
Remember that Tap is a new customer for the A330. They currently operate the A310-300 with GE and they have operated the Tristar�s with RR.
The CF6-80E1's for the A330s are basically enhanced versions of the CF6's flying on the B767/747s. I would think that RR trent 700's are the most common (appox. 40% of A330) followed by the PW 4000.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 6): Its also going to be interesting to see what powerplant Tap will be choosing for their 7 new built A330. I would lean towards PW as they have recently bought 3 (ex BlueWings A330.)
I would say RR trents for TAP. I think the mission that TAP needs these A330s for, will make them want the 72,000lb thrust rating.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8933 times:
MSN 009 will re-engined with Trents (as will 007) before it's ultimately delivered to Etihad. What's going on with MSN 007, wasn't it originally scheduled to be the first flight test aircraft to fly with Engine Alliance engines? I've seen pictures of it on the ramp without engines.
PM From Japan, joined Feb 2005, 5134 posts, RR: 59 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8697 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 6): Would you happen to have the brake down of powerplants that each RR, GE and PW have sold on the A330?
I'll leave out leasing companies because (1) it isn't always known which engines they've ordered and (2) those planes don't really 'exist' till they're placed with an airline and built. So, just looking at planes ordered by airlines (directly or though leasing companies), I make it 550 A330s ordered of which:
34 (6%) haven't yet chosen an engine (*)
131 (24%) have GE
164 (30%) have PW
221 (40%) have RR
(*) 10 of these are for China Southern who have already chossen RR for their first four A330s so it seems safe to assume they'll go to RR. RR will also get the 10-20 A330 tankers when the RAF finally order them this year.
GE may still be in third place but they are catching up (at least on PW) after a feeble start on the A330. The A330 first flew in 1992 and it flew with GE before either of the other two engine options. But both PW and RR hit the 100 mark built and delivered (on successive frames, coincidentally) in 2002. At that time GE had powered just 38 A330s. GE only reached the 100 built and delivered landmark in the second half of last year.
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 7): I would think that RR trent 700's are the most common (appox. 40% of A330) followed by the PW 4000.
Spot on!
Quoting WINGS (Reply 6): Remember that Tap is a new customer for the A330. They currently operate the A310-300 with GE and they have operated the Tristar�s with RR. This is one powerplant order to look out for.
I'm looking!
A GE order would ensure a degree of continuity since GE power TAP's A310s. It might also lead to a GE order for the A350s. BUT it would not fit with the three PW A330s. And NO Star members fly GE on their A330s.
A PW order would make sense if TAP really have bought those ex-Blue Wings planes. Fellow Star members Austrian, Swiss, USAir, Asiana and Thai also fly PW A330s. BUT PW isn't an option on the A350.
An RR order would bring commonality with Star members Lufthansa, SAS, bmi and Air Canada. It might also lead to an RR order for the A350s. BUT it would not fit with the three PW A330s.
Swings and roundabouts, any way you look at it. But the market seems to think that the Trent is the best option of the three. I'll put a fiver on RR.
Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7151 times:
Basically, put it this way. Any airline who wants to fly to LHR will choose the RR engine. ALL others will choose the GP7000 because it is lighter and more fuel efficient than the RR. Its only draw back is that it is too noisy for LHR.
Boeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 633 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7118 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 5): The 777 first flew with PW4000. The first A330s were, indeed, powered by CF6s but the engine sold very poorly and the first two A330s were converted to RR and delivered to Cathay. The CF6 is still the least popular of the three engines options on the A330
A blessing in disguise as GE became the only 'clean sheet' design for 777 and as far as the 777X goes the rest as they say is history.
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 10): You are absolutely right - apologies my mistake. I knew that as well - late night and no coffee!
Chris, no apology needed I had to refer to Norris and Wagnors book on the T7 to be sure.
PM From Japan, joined Feb 2005, 5134 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5722 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13): Basically, put it this way. Any airline who wants to fly to LHR will choose the RR engine. ALL others will choose the GP7000
Forgive me for saying so but that seems a bit simplistic. It seems improbable that Lufthansa need 15 A380s for the FRA-LHR route, but you never know. And what a shame that we won't be seeing any of those 43 Emirates A380s at LHR...
Of course, if your theory is true then that's good news for RR. Thai, Qatar and Kingfisher must therefore choose RR and that gives them 10 out of the 15 airline customers so far.
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5217 times:
I have one question here - isn't changing the type of engine on a jet an expensive and complicated procedure. So why would Airbus fit msn 007 and 009 with the GP7200 if they will be re-engined to the RR Trent for Etihad anyway? Couldn't they have done that on a different airframe, one that would have had the GP7200 in serive?
AvFan4ever From United States, joined Feb 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4832 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 14): Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13):
Its only draw back is that it is too noisy for LHR.
No, it really isn't. A GP7200 powered A380 will be quieter than a 744 with any engines.
Let me add that Airbus already guarantees that the currently offered passenger version of the GP-powered A380 will meet LHR QC2 by a significant margin.
Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3714 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 18): Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13):
Basically, put it this way. Any airline who wants to fly to LHR will choose the RR engine. ALL others will choose the GP7000
Forgive me for saying so but that seems a bit simplistic. It seems improbable that Lufthansa need 15 A380s for the FRA-LHR route, but you never know. And what a shame that we won't be seeing any of those 43 Emirates A380s at LHR...
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Quoting AvFan4ever (Reply 20): Let me add that Airbus already guarantees that the currently offered passenger version of the GP-powered A380 will meet LHR QC2 by a significant margin.
Alright, well, now I feel embarrassed. I swear I saw this in an article. I checked all over GE and RR's website, but I found nothing so far. Well, when I find what I saw, I will definitely post it.
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