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MEX/TLC/MTY/GDL Airport Long Haul Service!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 3497 times:

Recently several new routes and frequencies are being introduced... and I have lost the count on some carriers an it's frequencies...

As usual we have:

BA LHR-MEX - 3X B744.
KL AMS-MEX - 7X B744.
LH FRA-MEX - 7X B744. Will they switch to A340-600 by year end???
AF CDG-MEX - 10X B772 / 4X with A343 soon, right???
IB MAD-MEX - Is it 14X, 12X or 11X? For a moment IB was the biggest European carrier to MEX but with Air Madrid they have recently stepped back...
NM MAD-TLC - 2X mix of A332/333/342.
LA SCL-MEX - 7X B763.
LP LIM-MEX - 1X B763.
AV BOG-MEX - 4X B762.
RG GRU-MEX - 5X and soon BOG-GRU-MEX - 2X with what?? B762/772???
AR EZE-LIM-MEX - 5X A310. What ever happen to them this week? 3 XLD flights in a row and yet uncertain if they will land tomorrow...!!! Also by FEB it was said they were going to fly EZE-BOG-MEX.
JL NRT-YVR-MEX - 2X B744

And from Mexico:

MX MEX-EZE - 6X B763.

And according to Posadas Group they want to reinforce EZE and open MEX-SCL and Brazil and the so expected MEX-TIJ-PVG or PEK? But all this is more like to happen by the end of 2006/early 2007.

AM MEX-MAD - 09X B762/3.
MTY-MAD - 02X B762.
MEX-CDG - 08X B762/3.
MEX-GRU - 08X B762/3.
MEX-SCL - 05X B762/3. Can anyone confirm? AM had 4X later went to 6X and looks like they have stepped back to 5X?
MEX-Germany - July 07 charters with B777
MEX-TIJ-NGO - 02X B772 as of March 06.

Total: 34X plus Germany.

As of now with the B777s and no Japan flights, AM will go:
MEX-MAD - 04X B772; 05X B762/763.
MTY-MAD - 02X B762.
MEX-CDG - 03X B772; 05X B762/763.
MEX-GRU - 01X B772; 07X B762/763.
MEX-SCL - 05X B762/3 possible reinforcing the route to 7X?

Total: 32X.

We are also expecting AM go MEX-EZE and MEX-GIG via GRU. But with flights to Japan with B777 things and routing to MAD and CDG specially will be kind of complicated and affected!!!

What ever happen to BCN??? MXP or FCO... when????

Despite it's very difficult to get B762ERs or B763ERs with PW4060, hopefully AM think it twice and keep it's B767s and add some more...

And lets dream, would be great to see them go:

MEX-MAD - 07X B777/B762/3.
MTY-MAD - 03X B762.
GDL-MAD - 02X B762.
MEX-CDG - 10X B772/B762/3.
MEX-GRU - 05X B772/B762/3.
MEX-GRU-GIG - 03X B762.
MEX-SCL - 07X B762/3.
MEX-BCN - 02X B762.
MEX-CUN-FCO - 3X B762.
MEX-TIJ-NGO - 02X B772.

Total: 44X.

I think that's all for the moment...

ghost77 APM


Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Ghost,
Is AM flight to NGO confirmed? Will it be seasonal?
I had just started a thread about this to obtain more info.


What about adding CUN to your long-haul list? Scheduled services besides NM 5x to MAD... Are there any?


PZ

[Edited 2006-01-31 21:58:20]


Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Hi Ghost!

LP is currently flying 3X763 LIM-MEX
IB is bringing the usual mix of A343 and A346 11X week.
AF 7X777 and 2X744. and starting March 27th the 744 will be history and the A343 will fly again to MEX 5X, on that same month to 6X and it will become daily as of June 18 for a total of 14X AF weekly flights.
I not sure I understand what do you mean about RG, 5X BOG-GRU-MEX and 2X 762/777?? The schedule is (6X GRU-MEX nonstop and 1X via CUN)
Will they switch the route soon??. Do you mean by 762, 763? The only thing I know is that they downgraded the 777 to 763 since the visa thing. I don't know if they are planning to deploy again the T7 soon. Any info?

Regards,


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MTY-MAD - 02X B762.



Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MTY-MAD - 03X B762.

Actually AM is planning to send their 777 to MTY for the MAD flight, also heard that some dispatchers (SEAT) are being told for training for the 777 for MTY-CDG.

Also let´s see what MX will bring in the next months.

Saludos



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineUcunnn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 3):
Also let´s see what MX will bring in the next months.

Hopefully they start that so waited flight to CLT from MEX and GDL


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting Olli (Reply 2):
I not sure I understand what do you mean about RG, 5X BOG-GRU-MEX and 2X 762/777?? The schedule is (6X GRU-MEX nonstop and 1X via CUN)

RG is currently running a daily 772 in the MEX-GRU operation. 4 days of the week it operates nonstop, whereas the remaining 3 it goes via BOG in an unusual schedule that obeys to aircraft shortage.

In early March, RG's daily GRU-MEX service is scheduled to go nonstop both ways once again, though fully-operated in 763 equipment.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 1):
What about adding CUN to your long-haul list? Scheduled services besides NM 5x to MAD... Are there any?

Because of hurricane Wilma Air Europa went from 5X to 3X a week. Service with 5X will be back next June. There's no other airline flying with schedule service.

Quoting Olli (Reply 2):
LP is currently flying 3X763 LIM-MEX

You sure? Checked LAN's site and I only see 2X. They started with 5 went to 3 and then I knew the were holding at 1X.

Quoting Olli (Reply 2):
IB is bringing the usual mix of A343 and A346 11X week.

So, they DID step back!!! IB had 14X on route and that was way before December season. Air Madrid has something to do with this???

Quoting Olli (Reply 2):
I not sure I understand what do you mean about RG, 5X BOG-GRU-MEX and 2X 762/777?? The schedule is (6X GRU-MEX nonstop and 1X via CUN) Will they switch the route soon??. Do you mean by 762, 763? The only thing I know is that they downgraded the 777 to 763 since the visa thing. I don't know if they are planning to deploy again the T7 soon. Any info?

RG flew 6X GRU-MEX and 1X via CUN, they after opened a 1X GRU-CUN and kept 7X in the GRU-MEX; problems started and now they're only doing 7X GRU-MEX with B763ER way before the visa thing. I don't know but I think it will take time to see RG back with B777 and flying 8X. They will also soon run 3X via BOG.

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Ghost

Thank's on the info regarding RG!. So bad to hear that. I think MEX used to be one of the best performers for RG.

About LP, according to the current Skyteam timetable they are running 3X LIM-MEX on Monday Thursday and Saturday.

Regards,


User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Sorry about that one. Not Skyteam but Oneworld timetable.

Regards,


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

My comments:

1. Will BA add one or two more frequencies this coming summer season again? At some point they did LHR-MEX 5x weekly, and it will be nice to see them go back to five frequencies.

2. The original post talks about LIM-MEX operations, but only when operated with a wideboy aircraft (LA and AR), and fails to talk about AM's flights to LIM, which are done with 752's. This gives the impression that, for purposes of this thread, widebody = long haul and I don't think this should be the standard (think DL's 772ER MCO-ATL service or RG's MD-11 LHR-CPH service). LIM is less than 6 hours from MEX and 6 hours is usually the threshold to call a flight long-haul. Therefore, I would not consider MEX-LIM as a long-haul service.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):

BA will add one more frequency to bring its total to 4x weekly flights. I dont understand why BA cannot increase its weekly flights to a daily flight. IB,LH, KL,and AF all are doing it successfully. I remember reading it had to do with bilateral agreement between the UK and Mexico. Maybe someone can clarify this.

Also, what other airlines you see starting service to MEX? I thinks its a possibility we will eventually see another Asian carrier (JL being the only one right now)flying into MEX. My guess will be a Chinese carrier. CX has also study the possibility of starting direct flights into MEX. Would be nice to see if both AM and MX start flights into China and Japan then we will see another Asian carrier give it a green light to expand into MEX and possibly Latin America.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3041 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting Olli (Reply 8):
Sorry about that one. Not Skyteam but Oneworld timetable.

You meant to say Star Alliance.  spin 


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
. The original post talks about LIM-MEX operations..........

Forgot AM, put them on the list with 5X but with B73G. B752 eff Feb 6th is out of the route.

The B757s are leaving this year, last 5 will be replaced as of now with 7 B738s.

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 10):
BA will add one more frequency to bring its total to 4x weekly flights.

Eff? Will they keep if after the summer?

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 10):
Also, what other airlines you see starting service to MEX?

Unfortunately, none... MEX is now slot restricted for new carriers except for those who have been serving the airport for a long time. Or some exceptions are done, like AS's flight which was a substitution of DL's LAX flights.

For now with the current T1, MEX last year was able to handle 24,115,522M pax, that is a year record for MEX, current terminal can handle up to 28M pax, with new T2, MEX will be able to handle 40M pax a year which is estimated to be reached sometime by 2015 but if TLC expands things might be different by 2015.

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
put them on the list with 5X but with B73G. B752 eff Feb 6th is out of the route.

Can the 73W make it to LIM from MEX without cargo restrictions all year long?

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
The B757s are leaving this year, last 5 will be replaced as of now with 7 B738s.

All the 752's are leaving this year? What are the chances that no 767ER's will be retired from the fleet? It would be good to see MEX-JFK done with one 73W and one 763ER each day once the first 772ER arrives.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
Can the 73W make it to LIM from MEX without cargo restrictions all year long?

Yes! Recently, the last B737s received have different engines with extra thrust which are: N842AM, EI-DMX, DMY CFM56-7B24K, don't know if EI-DNB and EI-DNC have also those engine types.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
All the 752's are leaving this year? What are the chances that no 767ER's will be retired from the fleet? It would be good to see MEX-JFK done with one 73W and one 763ER each day once the first 772ER arrives.

Yes, high chances of ending with 1 or 2 by Dec or even none! The B752 is gone from LIM, JFK, LAX and ATL will follow as more B73G/B738s start to get here. By May, AM will switch JFK to an all B737/B762/3ER operation. And thankfully everything so far points out all B767s are staying.

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
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Will LAX be an all 73G operation once the 752s are gone?

LACA773


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
everything so far points out all B767s are staying.

Very good news! That is fantastic. Even though the 67's are tired, they are crucial for AM. The more news we get on fleet evolution, the more I think AM should evaluate placing an order for a few 787's; what do you think?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2631 times:

An official Boeing proposal was made to AM last year for 5 B787s. I thinking that indeed yes, later AM will fly B737/777/787s.

What I like the fact that B767s are staying, they can deploy B737s in America wherever they want but PLEASE AM, send those B767s to Europe or long haul routes in South America!

With all B767s, the NGO route COULD BE very possible as it wouldn't affect it's long haul frequencies.

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 16):
Very good news! That is fantastic. Even though the 67's are tired, they are crucial for AM. The more news we get on fleet evolution, the more I think AM should evaluate placing an order for a few 787's; what do you think?

EddieDude, forget about the 787. First they need to solve the problem they have with the employee reduction program (6,000 I believe Rojo said). What they need to do is understand that this is a new era for Mexican aviation and competition has started. So better save money (new airplanes cost a lot of money each month) as they are going to need that if Interjet starts flying to LAX via some city like La Paz or Los Cabos. Going back to my economics class, I can say this industry has an elastic demand in Mexico and not the other way as AM and MX think (not that many business passengers or full fare paying passengers). Example, having a brand new B777 to Madrid won´t make a difference as long as you have Air Madrid on a A340-300 selling cheaper seats. What I mean is that many people only care abouth getting to Spain without spending too much money and Air Madrid is fulfilling that necesity in this market. And competition just keeps increasing.


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