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Wizzair Arrive In Croatia And Slovenia!  
User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

I have to say I was a bit sceptical about Wizzair when they first started flying their bright prink airbuses. I have always been a Sky Europe fan (when it comes to Central European LLCs). However today they have become my next best friend!
From 1st of May they are flying between London Luton and Split! and between London Luton and Ljubljana. This is just fantastic news...I've wiated for LCCs in Croatia for years and finally its happened. Its great for Split to get a cheaper connection to London. After years of Croatia Airlines' fantastically expensive and capacity starved service we got BA on the route; however they are expensive (for me any way Smile)

Its also great news for LJ..i love that town and the country and Easyjet's flights are always relatively expensive because its a popular route with too small a capacity. Ljubljana also gets its first LCC link with Belgium...another good move by wizz.
Also as part of their 'revolution' on 1st of may they are launching Budapest to Burgas in Bulgaria...maybe this is in preparation for launching Bulgaria as their new 'in' country?

I wish Wizz all the best on their new routes and its very good that they have got in early..please...Wizz....Belgrade next  crossfingers 

Adriaticflight

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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Thanks for the info!

I think Wizzair has a bright (pink) future in front of them. I can even see them becoming the Jetblue of central europe. They placed another order for A320/319s just recently, and now more routes. They also operate out of the newly renovated terminal 1 in BUD, which has impressed a lot of passengers arriving into BUD with Wizzair.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

This is great news. It wouldn't surprise me if a LTN-SJJ service started up soon, possibly 2-3 times a week, a real first for a LCC. Wizz have overtaken Sky Europe as innovaters in central Europe. LTN-DBV could also work, possibly only in summer as it is more seasonal than SPU.

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

I have also read they are going to be flying to Bourgas and Sofia direct from Luton.

This is what the the banner says at the top of Wizzair's website, but appears to be no official announcement.


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

I think the Sofia route is still 'via Budapest'. Maybe they will do the same with Burgas too..have a connecting night flight. I think that Sofia will become a wizzair base in the near future.
Its a shame that Sky Europe haven't taken the lead, they led the LCC expansion into Central Europe. They flew Slovakia-UK way before the likes of FR and Easyjet.

I think that croatia and Bulgaria will become the new battle grounds for the LCCs. Lets hope UK removes the visa for croats and serbs soon to increase the number of travellers. Bulgaria will loose its visa as soon as it joins EU in 11months time (hopefully).

Romania has yet to see significant LCC links....and its the biggest un-tapped market in South Eastern Europe.


User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Carpatair are rumoured to be flying Timisora-Stansted, so stealling a lead on UK LCC's.

Wizz and Sky Europe are doing all the hard work in opening up these central European areas, I hope FR don't come along and ruin the party by flooding the market with there tat once all the hard work has been done.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

It doesn't really matter who starts when: U2 and FR will invariably always out-perform other, smaller airlines, simply because they can afford to loss lead and to effectively drive those smaller airlines out of the market (if they're going to compete on the route). No small airline will win a price war against FR or U2. Look at FR and GO in terms of DUB-Scotland - FR effectively murdered GO on those routes, even though GO was in a better financial and otherwise (i.e. better run and marketed) position than, say, SkyEurope and Wizz.

Anyway, it's always nice to see new no-frills flights from the UK to Central and Eastern Europe.

[Edited 2006-01-31 22:30:14]


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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Their ZAG-LTN has had an incredible start. Wizzair says its bookings are so strong on the route that they have increased it from 4/week to 9.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting Billy (Reply 7):
Wizzair says its bookings are so strong on the route that they have increased it from 4/week to 9.

How much are their fares? I ask because what matters is YIELD and not LOADS. Indeed, if they kept charging, say, £1, they could probably have multiple daily flights but would be earning bugger all - and would be deeply unprofitable.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

All lo-co's have dynamic pricing. However, they have been surprised at the uptake on the ZAG route. I am sure that they know what they are doing if they choose to double capacity on a route.

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

These are great news! I wish they come to BEG, too.

Quoting Adriaticflight (Thread starter):
From 1st of May they are flying between London Luton and Split!

I heard they will fly from Luton to Zagreb, not Split. Are you sure about that?



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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

I think that Wizzair is adding Zagreb, Split and Ljubljana this summer.

User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 10):
I heard they will fly from Luton to Zagreb, not Split

Zdravo Aleksander. They anounced Split and Ljubljana today in adition to the Zagreb flight. I wonder if i bombarded Wizzair offices with images of BG they would start flying to the grad dobrih vibracija.  Smile

Adriaticflight


User currently offlineSerbianSkies From Serbia, joined Jan 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 12):
Zdravo Aleksander. They anounced Split and Ljubljana today in adition to the Zagreb flight. I wonder if i bombarded Wizzair offices with images of BG they would start flying to the grad dobrih vibracija.

Good idea! We could use service which is cheap... and reliable.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
How much are their fares? I ask because what matters is YIELD and not LOADS. Indeed, if they kept charging, say, �1, they could probably have multiple daily flights but would be earning bugger all - and would be deeply unprofitable.

Fares are quite high. Route starts 27 March, fares for the week of 2-7 april are 19.99, 26.99, 39.99 and 67.99. (LTN-ZAG). ZAG-LTN is considerably cheaper, 3.99-19.99.

You are right that loads don't say too much, but just like in your thread of 2 weeks ago, I do not totally agree. Loads can indicate the existance of a demand 'at all' - I assume there must be models, indicating viability by looking at loads at first booking - even at GBP 1. When I have free time I will have a look for these models, otherwise I know a subject for my final master thesis next year  Wink

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
It doesn't really matter who starts when: U2 and FR will invariably always out-perform other, smaller airlines, simply because they can afford to loss lead and to effectively drive those smaller airlines out of the market

Again, I do not disagree but I do not agree either. U2 and FR aren't divine - they can not do anything. When a carrier is already well estabilished on a route (other then you, I do believe in a form of brand loyality, even at LCCs*), it takes some time to make people switch carriers. You have to take losses and they will always make the decision if it is worth the money for the start-up losses.

And when the opponent has a similar cost structure, it's even harder to compete. I read an interview with Christian Mandl (SkyEurope CEO), beginning 2005, where he said that their CASM was considerably lower then U2 and only slightly higher than FR - mostly due to cheaper labour in Slovakia and Poland compared to the UK. I suppose Wizzair to be in the same region with respect to CASM.

The longer FR waits, the harder it gets to get the position in the market. Not impossible, but it's a question if it's worth the cost.

* no scientific proof, but perception from opinions of people in my environment. Often, I see and hear people making decisions to pay EUR 10-100
to fly a carrier they know, or flying form an airport they know - their reason is the feeling of familiarity is worth the extra money. Another issue is brand awareness; not everybody knows possibilites of LCCs - hardly anybody in my town (Enschede) knows that DTM is closer than AMS and that you can get very good fares on U2 to several destinations.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 12):
They anounced Split and Ljubljana today in adition to the Zagreb flight.

Oh, I see. They could have added another destination, too....

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 12):
I wonder if i bombarded Wizzair offices with images of BG they would start flying to the grad dobrih vibracija.

That sounds like a good idea  Smile



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User currently offlineDelyan From Bulgaria, joined Jun 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 12):
I wonder if i bombarded Wizzair offices with images of BG they would start flying to the grad dobrih vibracija.

Is this some kind of a joke?

At the beginning of May, Wizz Air will start flying first to VAR/LBWN (Varna), then BOJ/LBBG (Bourgas).


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3275 times:

Quoting Delyan (Reply 16):
Is this some kind of a joke?

No, he meant Belgrade. BG is on Belgrade license plates.



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3262 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
No, he meant Belgrade

Yes it was a joke. I'll lobby hard for Belgrade...if only i knew how to  Smile


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 18):

I think that "open-skies" agreement will be signed soon, but in order to make both BEG and INI interesting for LCCs, there are two things that had to be done:
1. liberalizing visa restrictions
2. strong tourist promotion of the region; Belgrade might not be the most beautiful city in Europe, but it can offer so much (good night life, many interesting things to be seen, etc.)

Without that, load factors wouldn't be very high, I'm afraid.



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Very sad day for aviation in Croatia in my opinion.

LCC have absolutely destroyed the industry I love! I cant understand how there is so much support for LCC here. Fine you save some dollars when traveling with LCC but if your not willing to spend cash when taking a holiday than your going to have a crappy time anyway.

I find this global trend towards LCC very scary.

Croatia Airlines is offers flights to major EU destinations for 99 euro including London! Other places as low as 40 Euro. Anyone else expecting to pay less is committing to the demise of an industry they (on appearing on airliners.net) apparently like!

LONG LIVE TRADTIONAL AIRLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 old 



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 20):
Croatia Airlines is offers flights to major EU destinations for 99 euro including London!

They wouldn't be offering these fares if there were not LCCs. Traditional airlines with a sound business plan also still have a market, look at BA, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Iberia - all well alive and making profits.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 19):
1. liberalizing visa restrictions

For EU residents, there don't seem to be real restrictions:
http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Visas/f_without_visa.htm


User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
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Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 20):
Croatia Airlines is offers flights to major EU destinations for 99 euro including London! Other places as low as 40 Euro.

Fares which are very restrictive (booking, availability, number of such tickets) and sometimes more of a marketing ploy than real fares. Going to LeBourget last summer, I got the cheapest fare ZAG-CDG-ZAG with OU of 245 euros, which is not all that much, but not all that cheap - even though I booked the trip 3 months in advance, during the summer cheap season, when more than 80% of all other seats on the flight were free. No cheap fare for me, even though I specifically asked for it.

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 20):
I cant understand how there is so much support for LCC here. Fine you save some dollars when traveling with LCC

On our side of the world, the average monthly paycheck for an average worker in Croatia is around 300-700 euros. A ZAG-LHR-ZAG trip on OU for one adult, booked 3 months in advance, would come out to 260+ euros at the cheapest (checked it myself while writing this). On Wizzair, taking the 68 euro ticket in the worst case, the return trip would be 140 euro - giving a price difference of 120 euros minimum.

Reasons for support of LCCs? About half a monthly paycheck for starters...

[Edited 2006-02-01 11:15:19]


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 20):
if your not willing to spend cash when taking a holiday than your going to have a crappy time anyway.

Well, one can always use that extra money to have fun in the destination of his choice.

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 20):
Croatia Airlines is offers flights to major EU destinations for 99 euro including London!

But I doubt you'll ever find it when booking a flight. This is probably the same marketing ploy JAT uses, offering similar discounts, but when you actually contact them, you're faced with a completely different reality.

Although I agree with you that legacy carriers have their benefits, LCC's transformed the whole concept of air transport giving an opportunity to more people to have more flights, see more interesting places. After all, how many people in Croatia can spend 250 Euros just to have a weekend in Paris or London?



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

I agree that that 250 euros is a high price to pay to travel from Croatia to places to Europe even for people on my side of the world.

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 22):
Fares which are very restrictive (booking, availability, number of such tickets) and sometimes more of a marketing ploy than real fares. Going to LeBourget last summer, I got the cheapest fare ZAG-CDG-ZAG with OU of 245 euros, which is not all that much, but not all that cheap - even though I booked the trip 3 months in advance, during the summer cheap season, when more than 80% of all other seats on the flight were free. No cheap fare for me, even though I specifically asked for it.

LCC are guilty of using this type of marketing ploy too. Here in Australia Virgin Blue offers Sydney - Melbourne (1 hour 15 min) flights for as little as A$30 but only allocate a small number of seats for this price.

Booking Via the net, Qantas turns out to be cheaper in some cases and you get a good meal plus beverages for free with Qantas.

Virgin Blue prices could go up in the high 3 hundreds for this flight and you still have to pay for a meal and beverages.

Mig21UMD



Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you long to return
25 Post contains images Mig21UMD : Just to add regard OU, Im a firm believer that OU could have appealed to the Croatian Population more with better prices and be at a stage with twice
26 CB777 : Mig21UMD I dont get it either how OU will only sit on 11 a/c's I dont get why they dont expand more they have so much potential and they hold back mak
27 TripleDelta : Very true. But regardless of marketing, LCCs do offer, for our means, significantly lower fares, and that makes a much more important difference to t
28 Gilesdavies : Wow... I was just looing into Wizz Air's flights a little further from Luton and they have got a serious number of flights from there considering it i
29 KrisYYZ : Do all of Wizzair's A320's carry Hungarian registration? Does Wizzair have a base, BUD ? Thanks, Krisyyz
30 Flycro : I know these prices are not including tax, but as Croatia is non EU UK dep. tax is £20 as opposed to £5 for EU flights so prices will always be a b
31 Post contains links and images Connector4you : View Large View MediumPhoto © Roy Loyson Romania has its own LCC BlueAir.web http://www.blueair-web.com/index.php Pretty much well connected to
32 KrisYYZ : un-tapped by LCCs maybe, but not by Malev, which now has 5 destinations in Romania, some flight for cost around 19 euro. Malev.com "Malév is permane
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