1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 7086 posts, RR: 2 Posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4735 times:
I don't mean to create this as a poll, but as a discussion.
So far, the 787-3 only has orders from two airlines: ANA and JAL. Both are Japanese airlines. I have heard from some users that the 787-3 won't sell outside of Japan. What are your thoughts?
I personally think that the 787-3 may end up being the least successful member of the 787 family, but may still perhaps get some orders from airlines who are not from Japan.
American Airlines - The 787-3 may perhaps work well as an A300 replacement.
Delta Air Lines - The 787-3 would be a perfect addition to Delta's fleet, replacing the domestic 767-200s and 767-300s (non-ER). On these routes, the range of the 787-8 is not needed. The 787-3 can also fit into more domestic gates than the 787-8, thanks to its shorter wingspan. Delta could order the 787-8 for transatlantic flights, but the 787-3 is more suitable for the domestic 767-200/300 destinations.
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HiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
On the contrary, I think it will be successful. It has the market to itself. It is the only A300 replacement. If you want to haul a decent amount of cargo with your pax on short to medium haul, efficiently, it's the only game in town.
I expect it to gain some orders this year. For one I think SV will purchase a few. They're expected to announce a major overhaul of their widebody fleet in the summer.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3604 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4222 times:
Totally. Though the 737 and A320 are being used in markets that used to be served by A300s and older 767s, there are still some markets that need a larger size. That is where 787-3 comes in. AA, DL, UA, Chinese carriers, and many that have already ordered the 787-8/9.
Personally I feel that if the Big U.S. Legacies can pull out of their hellhole, they will order many of these.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
It would be interesting to know just how much. Doesn't the -3 have a different wing than the other two? Also when it has a different skin thickness you have to redo the entire proof of stability (I can't find the british expression for "Festigkeitsnachweis").
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 3941 times:
Quoting WAH64D (Reply 2): It will be a huge success with orders by the bucketload. I think a lot of operators of the larger type will order the B783 later down the line.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 5): Totally. Though the 737 and A320 are being used in markets that used to be served by A300s and older 767s, there are still some markets that need a larger size. That is where 787-3 comes in. AA, DL, UA, Chinese carriers, and many that have already ordered the 787-8/9.
The trick is that you have to be able to sustain reasonably high loads at a reasonably high frequency to ensure maximal utilization of the aircraft, otherwise competitors flying smaller planes will end up with lower costs when they fly their smaller aircraft frequently with high loads. Japanese airlines in their lower competition, high population density home market can more readily sustain widebodies on domestic routes than US airlines can.
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DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3903 times:
Japan is the only purchaser of the 744D...and Boeing made money with very few made. Same thing for the 783 (although more will be made than the 744D). 783s outside Japan? Not very likely, but you may have a couple here or there around the world -- remember, it is an ever-changing market out there; sometimes unpredictable.
Now, in terms of the 783 as an A300 replacement...I'll speak generally here...
The original 762 and 772 (non-ER versions) came out, sold, then were killed by market changes and better models. Many ailrines now like to stick with one a/c type that can be interchanged with different routes the airline flies. UA flies their 772ERs through DEN to ORD, SFO, LAX, etc. Why? They don't need too. They could use their 772s (non ERs) to do this. They do this because of ease of route flexibility with respective a/c. W/O going into too much detail...this has seemed to become more popular these days. Now, the 783s in Japan probably won't be leaving domestic airspace...so the 783 would make sense here...no possibility of having them fly abroad.
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