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STL, New Runway Stuff, DHL And More  
User currently offlineSTLTower From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Hey guys

Its good to be back.

Some of you St Louis people may not know me or may not remember me. My name is Philip and I moved to St Louis in late 2005. Before that I worked in Waco Texas as an air traffic controller for the FAA. My training here at STL took about 1 year. Even with the reduced traffic, my training period was exciting yet full of stress. There was a time when I would go for a jog in Forest Park, look up in they sky and see planes turning final for the 30s and get butterflies in my tummy. I know it sounds weird but while I was in training, work was constantly on my mind both on and off the job. Now that I have a little experience under my belt the work is getting fun and I can start to focus on other aspects of my life. I look forward to participating in the forum.

Gosh,,,,I've got so much to talk about. Lots of ????, some facts and some rumors, so here we go.

Anyone noticed the FAA King Air doing approaches to the new runway? We started flight checking it on Sunday and its really awesome to watch the approach from the tower. I cant wait to see an MD80 do it. From what I understand the runway is just about ready to go but we have to have a certain amount of burn in time for the lights and the landing systems. One of the topics at work is how are we going to use the new runway. Its seems like the understanding is that when we are VFR, 11 will be used mostly for departures with 30L & R used for arrivals,,,,with the occasional departure on 30L. When the 12s are in used it seems as if it will be 29 and 30L for arrivals with 12R for departures. But nothing is for sure at this point.

Is Trans States in the process of dropping the Jetstream fleet? Since I have been here I have noticed discontinuation of the CMI, BMI and PIA routes. They also no longer run a JS41 to IND daily and are going to start using E145s to MSN, CID and MEM in place of some Jetstreams. It seems they only have 6 or 7 in circulation now.

The Trans States ATR has some of its markings missing. Its been parked over at the Trans States hanger and yesterday it went out on some kind of test flight. Could it be going to the desert?

There is a rumor going around at work that DHL is going to put a cargo "hub" at STL, over where the Trans States hanger is. Anyone else heard this?

Last I heard was Trans States and Regions (Corpex) were going to move to C. But yesterday I heard that was off. Anyone here work for either of these airlines?

Well, I think thats enough for now  Smile

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User currently offlineFlyingRev From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Greetings! STLTower, good to hear from you! I went through four years of seminary in STL, right near Forrest Park. I have a warm place in my heart for STL, and miss TW so very much. Its good to hear the airport is well and the new Runway project is nearing completion. How are things faring for Lambert with AA at the helm? Is WN increasing any traffic? Do you think t good old STL has a bright future? I sure hope so. Keep up the good work there, and keep us informed!

FLyingRev


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

STLTower, glad to see you enjoying STL and your job.
Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
The Trans States ATR has some of its markings missing. Its been parked over at the Trans States hanger and yesterday it went out on some kind of test flight. Could it be going to the desert?

It could be, because I know they don't operate the ATR's in the STL schedule anymore. I think it was flown on the DSM and IND routes but those have been changed to ERJ-145's.

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
Is Trans States in the process of dropping the Jetstream fleet? Since I have been here I have noticed discontinuation of the CMI, BMI and PIA routes. They also no longer run a JS41 to IND daily and are going to start using E145s to MSN, CID and MEM in place of some Jetstreams. It seems they only have 6 or 7 in circulation now.

I hope so. I would rather see ERJ's on those routes than JS41's. If they are getting rid of them, would they replace the routes that the j41's are on with ERJ's?

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
Last I heard was Trans States and Regions (Corpex) were going to move to C. But yesterday I heard that was off.

That's interesting....I wonder what's up.

[Edited 2006-02-01 17:14:25]

User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Good to see you back!!!

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
They also no longer run a JS41 to IND daily

Yeah

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
The Trans States ATR has some of its markings missing. Its been parked over at the Trans States hanger and yesterday it went out on some kind of test flight. Could it be going to the desert?

Last time I was on that puppy it was about to fall apart, de-icing boots torn and flapping in the breeze, looked like it was starting to have some corrosion issues, interior was pretty rough around the edges so to speak. It looked like some serious rehab was in order. I do not do tail numbers but I would suspect from its appearance that it was an orphan from American Eagle or had done some time in the Caribbean or similar environment.

Okie


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 2):
Last I heard was Trans States and Regions (Corpex) were going to move to C. But yesterday I heard that was off.

That's interesting....I wonder what's up.

It's not off, just delayed 'til October. None too soon for me.

In regards to the new runway, the first touchdown should occur this week. Mainly touch and goes.


User currently offlineAir1727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Hey Philip - nice to hear from you. Yes, I have noticed the KingAir doing proving runs.

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
Its seems like the understanding is that when we are VFR, 11 will be used mostly for departures with 30L & R used for arrivals

You meant 29 will be used for departures, right?

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
When the 12s are in used it seems as if it will be 29 and 30L for arrivals with 12R for departures. But nothing is for sure at this point.

You meant 11 and 12L, right?


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 4):
It's not off, just delayed 'til October.

Do you know why it is being delayed?


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Hey philip, quick question for you. Have to travel to st. louis this weekend, and having troubles finding a decent fare last minute. From your end there in st. louis, are there any sites that you know of working through the airport that show the best weekend fares from stl, and then maybe i'll work backwards? Any help would be great help

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 7):
Hey philip, quick question for you. Have to travel to st. louis this weekend, and having troubles finding a decent fare last minute. From your end there in st. louis, are there any sites that you know of working through the airport that show the best weekend fares from stl, and then maybe i'll work backwards? Any help would be great help

Try
http://www.smartertravel.com/air/search/reverse-rates.php?id=27


User currently offlineSTLTower From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Air1727

Man am I embarrassed. I posted at around 4 am because I could not sleep and Im thinking it shows  Smile

What I meant to say is that when we are on 12s it seems as if 11 and 12L will be for arrivals and 12R for departures. Going the other way its 29 for departures and the 30s for arrivals with an occasional departure on 30L.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Nice to hear from you again, phillip/atcboy.

I've been noticing that the junkstreams are slowly fading away, and I would love to see St Louis turn into a jet only operation. Only one problem with that though, markets like MWA, OWB, UIN probably can't support them and service levels would drop across the board as a result.

You'll enjoy your time in St. Louis, as long as you like the Cardinals. Wink


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

For anyone that is interested, Lambert will be adding flat screen monitors in the A Concourse which will be completed in July, adding two new shops in the C concourse which will open in March (a ladies accessories shop and a experience St. Louis shop), and Dec. enplanements were up 10%. Here is a link to Lambert's "What's New":
http://www.lambert-stlouis.com/index/about_New.html


User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Just took a look at that link, and what exactly was that info about JAL?
What was the full reason they were at Lambert. Would not be entertaining the possibility of a JAL NRT-STL flight? Does AA still code share with them?
It would be nice to dream of that!
And if not, why Lambert of all airports to "to gain information on airport funding/financing including AIP/PFC/Bonds and tax/fees in the U.S"



Cookies are the Gateway pastry. They lead to Éclairs and Bear Claws.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
There is a rumor going around at work that DHL is going to put a cargo "hub" at STL, over where the Trans States hanger is. Anyone else heard this?

That would seem odd, as they have just consolidated their nationwide air hub at ILN. However, they have planned several regional air hubs; however, I thought that the locations had long been announced, and STL is pretty close to ILN for there to be a separate air hub. DHL is, however, continuing to update its ground network, and I guess it is possible that a smallish ground hub could be being considered for that area. It's also possible that ABX Air, which is a contractor to DHL that does a fair amount of work also for the Postal Service, could be doing something of that sort there and DHL's name was erroneously attached to it in the rumor. Hope this helps.

--Bill


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9515 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 6):
Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 4):
It's not off, just delayed 'til October.

Do you know why it is being delayed?

My first guess is because Trans States is having problems getting the staffing it needs to fully consolidate the Chautauqua ground handling operations with the Trans States operations.

My second guess would have something to do with rental agreements on the gate space and the airport authority, could be wrong. Boeing nut -- do you know more?



if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting STLTower (Thread starter):
There is a rumor going around at work that DHL is going to put a cargo "hub" at STL, over where the Trans States hanger is. Anyone else heard this?

Glad to hear you finished up the training Phil!!

I haven't heard anything of this sort since they moved everything to ILN. One thing I do know is we'll be down to one nightly 727 because UPS is taking over the Menlo flying. The north side is becomming a ghost town.

Were you working today when the RJ made the emergency landing?



DMI
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 12):
Just took a look at that link, and what exactly was that info about JAL?
What was the full reason they were at Lambert. Would not be entertaining the possibility of a JAL NRT-STL flight? Does AA still code share with them?
It would be nice to dream of that!
And if not, why Lambert of all airports to "to gain information on airport funding/financing including AIP/PFC/Bonds and tax/fees in the U.S"

Did you miss the last sentence??

"..The information they received may be used for future Japanese airport improvements. "


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 12):
Just took a look at that link, and what exactly was that info about JAL?
What was the full reason they were at Lambert. Would not be entertaining the possibility of a JAL NRT-STL flight? Does AA still code share with them?
It would be nice to dream of that!
And if not, why Lambert of all airports to "to gain information on airport funding/financing including AIP/PFC/Bonds and tax/fees in the U.S"

From the JAL website I couldn't copy the link so here is the Press Release:

JAL Decides to Seek oneworld Membership

Tokyo - October 25, 2005: Japan Airlines (JAL), Asia's largest airline group, has decided to apply to join the multilateral airline alliance, oneworld. Launched in February 1999, oneworld offers a global network provided by eight major airlines in the world, namely American Airlines, British Airways, Qantas, Cathay Pacific, Iberia, LAN, Finnair and Aer Lingus, plus their 12 affiliates.*

The decision to join the multilateral alliance is in line with JAL's corporate policy to always think and act from the customers' point of view. Up to now, JAL has followed a bilateral alliance policy but has always kept an eye on the activities of multilateral alliances and has decided that now is the time for it to participate in such a grouping. Ever since oneworld was founded, its member airlines have worked together to provide passengers with top class travel offering the highest levels of convenience, comfort and value through expanded and improved products and services that can be enjoyed anywhere in the world.

As JAL and oneworld share the same purpose and objective, obtaining oneworld membership, while maintaining present bilateral agreements, would be in the best interests of JAL's plans to further develop the JAL Group, and represents the airline's strong commitment to providing the very best to its customers. The oneworld alliance greatly assists international passengers with their travels through the integration of e-ticketing, easier access to a more extensive network and linked services such as frequent flyer mileage programs, mutual use of airport lounges, and smooth flight connections.

Presently, oneworld has a network linking around 600 cities in 135 countries, and by joining the alliance JAL's network would further expand. The oneworld alliance is the first multilateral alliance in the world with interline e-ticketing in place between all of its members, making it far more convenient for passengers to transfer between flights of different member airlines. By joining an alliance that pursues such leading-edge services as this, JAL feels that its customers' convenience would be further improved.

With a worldwide network which serves 206 airports in 34 countries and territories, and strong market presence particularly in Japan and Asia, JAL believes it would be able to significantly enhance the competitiveness of oneworld when it finally becomes a member of the alliance.

From now JAL will be meeting with oneworld for detailed discussions.

*Royal Jordanian has been elected on board with effect from the turn of 2006/2007, and Malev Hungarian Airlines has signed a memorandum of understanding as its first step to joining.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3768 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 12):
Just took a look at that link, and what exactly was that info about JAL?
What was the full reason they were at Lambert. Would not be entertaining the possibility of a JAL NRT-STL flight? Does AA still code share with them?
It would be nice to dream of that!
And if not, why Lambert of all airports to "to gain information on airport funding/financing including AIP/PFC/Bonds and tax/fees in the U.S"

You can bet that if AA doesn't fly international out of STL, then JAL won't be doing so anytime soon. The whole idea is proposterous really.



PHX based
User currently offlineSTLTower From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Pilotpip

I left work early on Wednesday because it was my Friday and Im guessing the emergency happened after I went home. Wednesday was fun though. I worked ground from about 8:30am to 940am. It was fun to do things a little differently (landing 12L, departing 12R) and there was plenty for me to do as it is one of our busier times of the day.

Ive kinda thought the DHL rumor to be a little odd. Why would they move over to the Trans States area when they would have to either renovate or tear down and build new. And even then there still isn't a big amount of space for a "hub". Shoot, if they were going to make this area a hub I would think they would be looking at Scott. They would have plenty of room and could build exactly what they want and have plenty of room for expansion.

Regarding the flat screen monitors. I've noticed them all over the place. Every once in a while for my lunch break Ill go down to get something in one of the concourses and it seems they are putting them in every concourse. Hanging from the ceiling and behind the gates. Its gona look nice and I think the placement of the screens in the B concourse is really cool, hanging in the middle of the walk area towards the north end.


User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 16):
Did you miss the last sentence??

"..The information they received may be used for future Japanese airport improvements. "


Jimbo

Uh... I did see that last sentecne.
I was trying to figure out why Lambert of all airports to visit.



Cookies are the Gateway pastry. They lead to Éclairs and Bear Claws.
User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Scott's out because DHL has a facility in Earth City. Same reason that UPS and Fed Ex won't be going there.

From today's paper: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...4828386257109001F47CF?OpenDocument



DMI
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