and if everything is true it is really an astonishing airplane with propeller fuel consumes and nearly jet speeds...
Don't you think it could be possible to use such a design for a bigger airplane even with a long range to cut the costs of the airfares due to the big fuel savings?
Any comment is welcomed!
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4311 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2418 times:
The Piaggio is a neat airplane: we see a couple per month. It works well for a business airplane, but it would be difficult to adopt this design to a much larger commercial aircraft. If you are talking regional prop similar to the Q200 or Q300, there remains the possibility that it could work. However, that would mean more than doubling the length of the aircraft which would add more weight; adding more cargo room which would add more weight; accounting for the added seats and passengers (more weight again); and other improvements to the airframe and systems. This would require a more powerful powerplant, one which is likely not yet in production or cannot be fitted to the Piaggio's design. The max weights on the current Avanti model, even translated into an 80 foot long airframe, would not be nearly enough to sustain commercial use.
The other difficulty comes in receiving enough of a response from airlines to launch the product. Couple of factors working against them. There does not appear to be a huge market for turboprops right now, although the tide could be turning. If the market does turn, there are established airframes available that fill the void very capably. Plus, with the lackluster sales of it on the business market, the company is not in a strong market position to create and market a new commercial airplane.
I like the Avanti. It is a neat, fun airplane for light business use. For commercial use it would basically have to be a completely new design. Therefore it is highly unlikely that the Avanti will be developed into a commercial airplane in the forseeable future.
The Q400 is receiving some looks from airlines looking to reduce fuel costs on regional routes, but even it's sales are not great. That might change in the future, though. Check out the information on Bombardier's website about it
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
Boeing and Douglas both tested unducted fan engines in the 1980s. Unfortunately, low industry interest and design limitations led to the shelving of the projects. Boeing used a 727 and Douglas used a DC-9 variant. Due to the size of the propellers required, they were only really usable on rear fuselage mounted engine designs.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
JoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 579 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Quoting Texan (Reply 4): For commercial use it would basically have to be a completely new design.
That was exactly what I was thinking about... But you may have seen the reason:
Quoting Texan (Reply 4): There does not appear to be a huge market for turboprops right now, although the tide could be turning. If the market does turn
...it could be a good idea I think... I think this revolutionary design could be very successful even if transposed in a bigger design.
Maybe if Piaggio would try it could be successful but perhaps it is still a too risky bet.